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It just seems that the liberals are posting more "times" than the conservatives.

/e I mean Icemage posted 5 times, himself. And, if you consider WHEN Duclkling made his comment... :)








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Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 5 2019 09:31am)

Icemage isn't a liberal though?

Quote (sir_lance_bb @ Nov 5 2019 07:30am)

People were so sure of Clinton beating Trump as well.

There's really no way to be sure of this 2020 election. I live in Ohio so the perception around me is sometimes an indicator of what might pull the election, can't really know. Towards the end of the 2016 election (3-4 months before) I kind of started to think Trump is going to win since saw so many people around me be all about Trump and the continued trend of people my age around me politically apathetic.

I don't think there is really any real way to gauge the moderates who would be willing to vote Trump again or vote democrat. My dad voted for Bernie in the primary but voted for Trump because that's how shitty of a candidate Clinton was. The trump cultists I doubt would be willing be swayed at all. But there's a lot of factors that can't really be measured. Trump narrowly won a lot of the voting districts in the swing states which means the election was a lot closer than people realize which is how Clinton had the popular vote since she had larger margins of victory in the districts she won vs Trump only had large margins of victory in red states whereas the swing states were very close and since the system is winner take all, you don't truly notice how close the election was from a distance.

If Trump gets impeached by the house, which looks like that could take place, I really just can't see the senate doing so. Because if the senate impeaches, that probably is for certain means the GOP is giving up the 2020 election and handing over an election is something the GOP would not forgive some senators and would treat them as pariahs in their own party.

As with most things, young people will basically decide the fate of the election and since they are the most politically apathetic group, no real way to tell. Since the young people in the swing states are even more apathetic than the young people in the coastal blue states. When I go to vote , I see maybe 1 person my age for every 4-6 people in the gen x/boomer age group. Which is crazy when you realize Millennials are 25% of the population which is equal to not greater than the boomer group.

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WASHINGTON — A critical witness in the impeachment inquiry offered Congress substantial new testimony this week, revealing that he told a top Ukrainian official that the country likely would not receive American military aid unless it publicly committed to investigations President Trump wanted.

The disclosure from Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union, in four new pages of sworn testimony released on Tuesday, confirmed his involvement in essentially laying out a quid pro quo to Ukraine that he had previously not acknowledged.

The testimony offered several major new details beyond the account he gave the inquiry in a 10-hour interview last month. Mr. Sondland provided a more robust description of his own role in alerting the Ukrainians that they needed to go along with investigative requests being demanded by the president’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani. By early September, Mr. Sondland said, he had become convinced that military aid and a White House meeting were conditioned on Ukraine committing to those investigations.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.html



Thanks for getting on board the truth train Gordon.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.html

Thanks for getting on board the truth train Gordon.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 5 2019 11:21am)

That's pretty bad news for Trump.
Will still hinge on the reasons for Sondland's assessment that "the country likely would not receive American military aid" and "By early September, Mr. Sondland said, he had become convinced that military aid and a White House meeting were conditioned on Ukraine committing to those investigations."

Why exactly he became convinced of this state of things will be key. But yeah, they guy who was defending the administration until now basically "flipping" is really bad for them.

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In supplemental testimony, Sondland said that by the beginning of September, “in the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid, I presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anti-corruption statement.”