Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 23 2019 03:42pm)

People are individuals and one Republican having access doesn't mean they all have the information or should be content with secret hearings led by hyper-partisan corrupt liars that you agree are bad actors.

Congressmen should just read the news and bow down to schiff and whatever he feels like lying about that day?
An absolutely ridiculous statement. beyond parody.

1. Its not all going to be public. These are secret hearings and they will release what they want from them, especially if no one pushes back.
2. Years of lies and shams affect public opinion and have implications beyond whether impeachment is formally passed or not. Democrats are leaking what they want to build a narrative.
3. There doesn't have to be great public support. The idea that the government is the people or enacts the will of the people is a myth.
4. The whims of the public don't determine right and wrong or truth and fiction.
5. Some of the big requests are congressmen wanting access to transcripts, not necessarily public hearings.
6. Some people using public hearings to grandstand isn't a particularly compelling case for secret impeachment hearings congressmen dont have access to.

Yes. Opposing secret impeachment hearings led by a bad actor who repeatedly lies about confidential information to undermine and remove the Republican president is a much bigger priority to address than procedure violations by congressmen trying to see whats going on who are barred from accessing important information.

Priorities.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 23 2019 01:42pm)

People are individuals and one Republican having access doesn't mean they all have the information or should be content with secret hearings led by hyper-partisan corrupt liars that you agree are bad actors.

Congressmen should just read the news and bow down to schiff and whatever he feels like lying about that day?
An absolutely ridiculous statement. beyond parody.

1. Its not all going to be public. These are secret hearings and they will release what they want from them, especially if no one pushes back.
2. Years of lies and shams affect public opinion and have implications beyond whether impeachment is formally passed or not. Democrats are leaking what they want to build a narrative.
3. There doesn't have to be great public support. The idea that the government is the people or enacts the will of the people is a myth.
4. The whims of the public don't determine right and wrong or truth and fiction.
5. Some of the big requests are congressmen wanting access to transcripts, not necessarily public hearings.
6. Some people using public hearings to grandstand isn't a particularly compelling case for secret impeachment hearings congressmen dont have access to.


Yes. Opposing secret impeachment hearings led by a bad actor who repeatedly lies about confidential information to undermine and remove the Republican president is a much bigger priority to address than procedure violations by congressmen trying to see whats going on who are barred from accessing important information.

Priorities.

Quote (thundercock @ Oct 23 2019 04:56pm)

I don't understand. You make it seem like Schiff is the only guy doing this. As I said before, there's like 40+ Republicans who have access and who are questioning witnesses. Go on Wikipeida and look at the member lists. There's plenty of representation there.

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I'm simply saying that the people who AREN'T ON THOSE COMMITTEES have NO BUSINESS in that room.

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Again, gathering evidence and questioning witnesses when it comes to national security issues behind closed doors is the norm.

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You need to stop with the hysterics because they make you look like a partisan hack and/or highly uneducated. Seriously, just wait and it will all be out in the open. That's how these things work.

Here's what I want to know. Once all the evidence is out in the open, what's your next talking point?

Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 23 2019 04:04pm)

"Adam Schiff isn't allowing Reps. to see the transcripts from this impeachment inquiry, but selectively leaks small portions to the press. This process should be transparent to the American people. It should be a fair process w/ clear rules, just like past impeachment inquiries."

- Rep. Dan Crenshaw

https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1187090938759393280

video included

Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 23 2019 02:20pm)

On the contrary, I explicitly responded to that point already.

Bad actors leading secret impeachment hearings have no business in that room.

Several members of those committees were reportedly among the Republicans entering the room. They are the ones aware of whats going on inside and think its bullshit too.

Secret impeachment hearings are not the norm.

Barring congressmen from impeachment hearings and the information of those hearings is not the norm either.

"National security" is not a magic phrase for me that condones all government action like it is for some people.

There are no hysterics from me.
Claiming it makes me look like a hack and uneducated is not an argument.

Sitting tight while Schiff continues to lie about classified information and undermine the country does not sit well with me.

I'm not the Republicans who entered the room. You can tell them to sit tight and read democrat lies in a newspaper for an indefinite period of time. See how that goes over.

You are the one advocating expelling Republican congressmen from office for this.
Opposing that position and criticizing schiff for his worse actions is not hysteria or unreasonable on my part.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 23 2019 02:38pm)

Awesome. This is just the kind of damage control our country needs /s



I wonder why OP didnt mention this part