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Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Oct 2019 23:16)
Depends what time period you are looking at. After WWII the U.S. government made a concerted effort to import successful Asians and also created a ton of propaganda to promote the "smart Asian" stereotype. So when you look at success from different areas, also understand that during certain points in history certain governments actively worked to increase the stats for certain groups.


Never heard about that before, very interesting! :)


However, were these efforts really undertaken to boost the stats of asians? Or was the true purpose to justify the Korean war? Ooooor was it perhaps an effort to make up for the sin of Japanese internment during ww2?
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Quote (LA-Leviathan @ 14 Oct 2019 14:56)
Is this fenders dad?


ancestor yep, still unconfirmed how direct the lineage

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 14 Oct 2019 15:23)
Wow, really didnt take long until we arrive at "b-b-but they were race-traitors//anti-semitic jews contributing to their own oppression, they deserved it".



there are countless incidents where antifa violently attacked innocent people simply because they perceived them as being racist/fascist/oppressors, or because they disagreed with their views. this incidence here might be a cherry-picked one, but I just brought it up again because it was such a perfect counterexample to Ink's overly general statement regarding antifa and protecting minorities.


funny how easy it is for fender aka heinrich to scapegoat a victim of a crime. it truly runs in his loser bloodline

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Quote (MxVivianWulf @ 14 Oct 2019 16:09)
Imagine unironically posting an actual Nazi propagandist comic strip as an argument.

you ignored the post detailing your cousin being sentenced for bashing an innocent Jewish man for fun. then again i guess you would have finally passed sophomore year if you were able to read.

you and fender (aka heinrich von goebbels) have way too much in common

e: reported, btw

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 14 2019 02:23pm)
Out of curiosity: did you consider Mitt Romney a racist or fascist?



Yes.

I'll address the later first as it's more straightforward. Fascism is more accurately called corporatism, as it is the marriage of the state monopoly on force (police, military, etc) and monopolistic capitalism. If I need to go into more detail I can, but I think that speaks for itself when looking at both the corporate/capitalist-captured Democratic and, to a somewhat greater degree, Republican Parties and their use of government force to ensure market hegemony.

As for racism, let's look back at his campaign:

• One of the Romney campaign's first ads began, "Since 1996, welfare recipients were required to work." The opening image features former President Bill Clinton, surrounded by several people (all of whom are black) as he signs the 1996 welfare reform bill. The frame marks the subjects: When we talk about welfare we are talking about Black people. The ad goes on to flash Obama’s image across the screen, claiming that he "quietly" ended this requirement and that his plan would "gut" welfare reform. The announcer says: "Under Obama’s new plan, you wouldn’t have to work and you wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check." Consistent with the Black-White interpolation around work, every time the word "work" is mentioned, the ad prominently features one or more White people working. Nearly every fact-checking organization in the country demonstrated that the Romney ad was false, erroneous, and deceptive. Yet Romney released an almost identical ad several weeks later.

• Another Romney campaign ad used the slogan that "Obama isn’t working," featuring statistics about the number of Americans who are out of work. It ends with statistics about a "forty-five percent increase in the number of people on food stamps." Here, the use of the term "food stamp" is key. Despite the fact that food stamps no longer existed, the term cues race in a way that the program’s correct name—Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP)—does not. The majority of SNAP recipients are, in fact, white.

• Another ad features the issue of health care. It opens with an announcer saying that "some people think Obamacare equals free healthcare." As Obama’s image moves across the screen, the announcer says, "But nothing is free."

Nothing, apparently, except mobile phones.

• The Romney campaign also featured an interview with a Black woman (who is missing most of her bottom teeth) claiming that she is voting for President Obama because "he gave us a phone." The ad claims that the footage was taken outside of a Romney event in Cleveland, and the woman appears to take a confrontational tone with the videographer. The message here is consistent with both the "lazy Black" stereotype, as well as more ideologically focused arguments about "tax-and-spend" liberals who want expansive government programs, but it is the former element that is likely to have persuasive power because of the imagery. It confirms White social conservatives’ worst fears and suspicions: White folks’ ("our") hard-earned money is being taken by the Black president and given to people like her ("them"). The narrative was picked up and blasted all over right wing media by the Tea Party.

The narrative about "Black sloth" and taking advantage of government largess at the expense of hardworking Whites comes full circle in a final remediation of Ronald Reagan’s welfare queen. This welfare queen, circa the 2012 Romney campaign, provides a provocative image that completes the narrative thread that began back in Reconstruction-era America (never-mind that "Obamaphone" was actually a Bush-era program and mostly helped rural and poor urban whites).



Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274307150_Mitt_Romney%27s_Racist_Appeals_How_Race_Was_Played_in_the_2012_Presidential_Election/link/58eb96dfaca272bd2875dd4d/download

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Oct 14 2019 04:03pm
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Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 14 2019 05:22pm)
Correct, which is why I don't associate with anyone right of center, from Democrats to Republicans to literal Nazis.


XD, can I make a documentary on you
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Quote (inkanddagger @ 14 Oct 2019 23:45)
Yes.

I'll address the later first as it's more straightforward. Fascism is more accurately called corporatism, as it is the marriage of the state monopoly on force (police, military, etc) and monopolistic capitalism. If I need to go into more detail I can, but I think that speaks for itself when looking at both the corporate/capitalist-captured Democratic and, to a somewhat greater degree, Republican Parties and their use of government force to ensure market hegemony.

As for racism, let's look back at his campaign:

• One of the Romney campaign's first ads began, "Since 1996, welfare recipients were required to work." The opening image features former President Bill Clinton, surrounded by several people (all of whom are black) as he signs the 1996 welfare reform bill. The frame marks the subjects: When we talk about welfare we are talking about Black people. The ad goes on to flash Obama’s image across the screen, claiming that he "quietly" ended this requirement and that his plan would "gut" welfare reform. The announcer says: "Under Obama’s new plan, you wouldn’t have to work and you wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check." Consistent with the Black-White interpolation around work, every time the word "work" is mentioned, the ad prominently features one or more White people working. Nearly every fact- checking organization in the country demonstrated that the Romney ad was false, erroneous, and deceptive. Yet Romney released an almost identical ad several weeks later.

• Another Romney campaign ad used the slogan that "Obama isn’t working," featuring statistics about the number of Americans who are out of work. It ends with statistics about a "forty-five percent increase in the number of people on food stamps." Here, the use of the term "food stamp" is key. Despite the fact that food stamps no longer existed, the term cues race in a way that the program’s correct name— Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP)—does not.

• Another ad features the issue of health care. It opens with an announcer saying that "some people think Obamacare equals free healthcare." As Obama’s image moves across the screen, the announcer says, "But nothing is free."

Nothing, apparently, except mobile phones.

• The Romney campaign also featured an interview with a Black woman (who is missing most of her bottom teeth) claiming that she is voting for President Obama because "he gave us a phone." The ad claims that the footage was taken outside of a Romney event in Cleveland, and the woman appears to take a confrontational tone with the videographer. The message here is consistent with both the "lazy Black" stereotype, as well as more ideologically focused arguments about "tax-and-spend" liberals who want expansive government programs, but it is the former element that is likely to have persuasive power because of the imagery. It confirms White social conservatives’ worst fears and suspicions: White folks’ ("our") hard-earned money is being taken by the Black president and given to people like her ("them").

The narrative about Black sloth and taking advantage of government largess at the expense of hardworking Whites comes full circle in a final remediation of Ronald Reagan’s welfare queen. This welfare queen, circa the 2012 Romney campaign, provides a provocative image that completes the narrative thread that began back in Reconstruction-era America.

https://i.imgur.com/k2jxCu7.png

Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274307150_Mitt_Romney%27s_Racist_Appeals_How_Race_Was_Played_in_the_2012_Presidential_Election/link/58eb96dfaca272bd2875dd4d/download


Thanks for the long post, highly appreciated!

I gotta disagree with your view on fascism, although I get where you're coming from.
When it comes to those ads... I didnt pay as close attenton to American politics back in 2012 and didnt realize that Romney was using such racially charged ads and appeals.



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It confirms White social conservatives’ worst fears and suspicions: White folks’ ("our") hard-earned money is being taken by the Black president and given to people like her ("them").


Weeeeell, if one frames it in such a demagogic way, it sounds bad. But realistically... when we look at policies like for example Obamacare - expansions of welfare programs and entitlements which are financed by hikes in taxes and dues - doesnt the extra money raised for these programs come disproportionately from whites and dont these programs disproportionately benefit nonwhites? Imho, the real problem with arguments and ads like that is the deliberate usage of negative, stereotyped figures to represent the other side ("them") as undeserving.
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Quote (inkanddagger @ 14 Oct 2019 17:45)
Yes.

I'll address the later first as it's more straightforward. Fascism is more accurately called corporatism, as it is the marriage of the state monopoly on force (police, military, etc) and monopolistic capitalism. If I need to go into more detail I can, but I think that speaks for itself when looking at both the corporate/capitalist-captured Democratic and, to a somewhat greater degree, Republican Parties and their use of government force to ensure market hegemony.

As for racism, let's look back at his campaign:

• One of the Romney campaign's first ads began, "Since 1996, welfare recipients were required to work." The opening image features former President Bill Clinton, surrounded by several people (all of whom are black) as he signs the 1996 welfare reform bill. The frame marks the subjects: When we talk about welfare we are talking about Black people. The ad goes on to flash Obama’s image across the screen, claiming that he "quietly" ended this requirement and that his plan would "gut" welfare reform. The announcer says: "Under Obama’s new plan, you wouldn’t have to work and you wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check." Consistent with the Black-White interpolation around work, every time the word "work" is mentioned, the ad prominently features one or more White people working. Nearly every fact-checking organization in the country demonstrated that the Romney ad was false, erroneous, and deceptive. Yet Romney released an almost identical ad several weeks later.

• Another Romney campaign ad used the slogan that "Obama isn’t working," featuring statistics about the number of Americans who are out of work. It ends with statistics about a "forty-five percent increase in the number of people on food stamps." Here, the use of the term "food stamp" is key. Despite the fact that food stamps no longer existed, the term cues race in a way that the program’s correct name—Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP)—does not. The majority of SNAP recipients are, in fact, white.

• Another ad features the issue of health care. It opens with an announcer saying that "some people think Obamacare equals free healthcare." As Obama’s image moves across the screen, the announcer says, "But nothing is free."

Nothing, apparently, except mobile phones.

• The Romney campaign also featured an interview with a Black woman (who is missing most of her bottom teeth) claiming that she is voting for President Obama because "he gave us a phone." The ad claims that the footage was taken outside of a Romney event in Cleveland, and the woman appears to take a confrontational tone with the videographer. The message here is consistent with both the "lazy Black" stereotype, as well as more ideologically focused arguments about "tax-and-spend" liberals who want expansive government programs, but it is the former element that is likely to have persuasive power because of the imagery. It confirms White social conservatives’ worst fears and suspicions: White folks’ ("our") hard-earned money is being taken by the Black president and given to people like her ("them"). The narrative was picked up and blasted all over right wing media by the Tea Party.

The narrative about "Black sloth" and taking advantage of government largess at the expense of hardworking Whites comes full circle in a final remediation of Ronald Reagan’s welfare queen. This welfare queen, circa the 2012 Romney campaign, provides a provocative image that completes the narrative thread that began back in Reconstruction-era America (never-mind that "Obamaphone" was actually a Bush-era program and mostly helped rural whites).

https://i.imgur.com/k2jxCu7.png

Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274307150_Mitt_Romney%27s_Racist_Appeals_How_Race_Was_Played_in_the_2012_Presidential_Election/link/58eb96dfaca272bd2875dd4d/download



great post my friend!

it’s too bad that swamp-creature gutter trashcan romney bought another political seat. Orange man bad for endorsing him
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It makes me sick when I see liberals cumming in their pants for Romney and Bush these days.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 14 Oct 2019 23:14)
your fictional scenario makes little sense since it hinges on the presence of jews who contribute significantly to a systematic oppression of other jews (without being forced into it by horrific circumstances). so yes, your scenario requires the presence of "anti-semitic jews" or "race-traitors" to work.
hence, your fictional scenario does not debunk my argument. if anything, it debunks itself.




you keep refusing to understand that he doesnt need to have been targetted by antifa because he was jewish for this incidence to run against Ink's claim that "they [antifa] stand as a wall against incursion into minority spaces by racist thugs".


so you're doubling down on the obviously flawed 'logic' that a certain movement can't claim they protect minorities in general, if someone who happens to belong to said minority was attacked by a someone who is attributed to that movement - even if that attack had nothing to do with what makes the victim a member of that minority?
just to steer this away from your transparently emotional 'race traitor' rhetoric...

sorry, but that's just plain stupid.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 14 Oct 2019 23:14)
you keep refusing to understand that he doesnt need to have been targetted by antifa because he was jewish for this incidence to run against Ink's claim that "they [antifa] stand as a wall against incursion into minority spaces by racist thugs".


i explained it to you several times now: that claim lacks any logic or causality, those things are in fact NOT mutually exclusive. dishonestly misrepresenting the motives of cherry picked incidents does NOT change the nature or goals of a whole movement. you even making that point is frankly embarrassing...

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So can we all agree antifa and transthingy are not in China and area bunch of phonies?
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