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Sep 21 2019 10:53am
This world where women are ruling:

Men have no right to get high education and are restricted to stay at home or to do all shitty jobs. If they aren't married or aren't fathers they are the ones cleaning shit, chemical, or even nuclear plants.
Ofc some of them have a minimal status, but they will never make the mistake to interrupt a woman while she's talking.

Waking up ... ufff. yet.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 21 2019 06:53pm)
This world where women are ruling:

Men have no right to get high education and are restricted to stay at home or to do all shitty jobs. If they aren't married or aren't fathers they are the ones cleaning shit, chemical, or even nuclear plants.
Ofc some of them have a minimal status, but they will never make the mistake to interrupt a woman while she's talking.

Waking up ... ufff. yet.


Feminist much?

In our modern Western society it's the other way round, women are privileged and protected ^^
Lol, left wing politicians demand that women be given boardroom jobs for the sake of inclusiveness. Never mind these companies were built from the ground up by men.

With regards to cleaning up the waste, where I live the people driving the garbage trucks are all male. Never heard the same politicians demanding that women should be put on garbage trucks to make these shit jobs more inclusive.

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Quote (Djunior @ 21 Sep 2019 22:00)
Feminist much?

In our modern Western society it's the other way round, women are privileged and protected ^^
Lol, left wing politicians demand that women be given boardroom jobs for the sake of inclusiveness. Never mind these companies were built from the ground up by men.

With regards to cleaning up the waste, where I live the people driving the garbage trucks are all male. Never heard the same politicians demanding that women should be put on garbage trucks to make these shit jobs more inclusive.


Triggered, then red-pilled by facts and logic
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 21 2019 11:23pm)
Triggered, then red-pilled by facts and logic


Seems to be your standard response when slammed by simple facts. Cheap ^^

Playing sexist card next?
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Quote (Djunior @ Sep 21 2019 11:00pm)
Feminist much?

In our modern Western society it's the other way round, women are privileged and protected ^^
Lol, left wing politicians demand that women be given boardroom jobs for the sake of inclusiveness. Never mind these companies were built from the ground up by men.

With regards to cleaning up the waste, where I live the people driving the garbage trucks are all male. Never heard the same politicians demanding that women should be put on garbage trucks to make these shit jobs more inclusive.


You're just repeating memes, man :D

Overall society is easier for men than it is for women. There are things where women have advantage over men but they are not an argument against feminism as a whole but just a reminder that despite men being more advantaged overall, there are situations where women have the upper hand. The reasonable feminists (who aren't wasting their life on tumblr/twitter/blogs) never denied any of this. The whole idea of "toxic masculinity" (what is toxic masculinity can be debatable and unfortunately it has sort of become a meme, too) for example comes from the excessive societal norms imposed by men upon other men.
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Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 22 2019 10:21am)
You're just repeating memes, man :D

Overall society is easier for men than it is for women. There are things where women have advantage over men but they are not an argument against feminism as a whole but just a reminder that despite men being more advantaged overall, there are situations where women have the upper hand. The reasonable feminists (who aren't wasting their life on tumblr/twitter/blogs) never denied any of this. The whole idea of "toxic masculinity" (what is toxic masculinity can be debatable and unfortunately it has sort of become a meme, too) for example comes from the excessive societal norms imposed by men upon other men.


I never said stuff like "having the upper hand" or shit and I won't go with you in long drawn arguments that are futile.

Fact of the matter is that male and female have equal right in our modern society for a fucking long time and nobody stops women from starting companies they are actually encouraged, so why don't they.
Woman starting their own company can be CEO and don't need an SJW left wing politician to put them in that position. And no men will be forced to give up their position.

But wait, most of the big successful companies are started by men, look at all the dirty fckrs. #inequality

edit: Get real these are not memes. Here are facts for you

https://www.economist.com/business/2018/02/17/ten-years-on-from-norways-quota-for-women-on-corporate-boards

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I never said stuff like "having the upper hand" or shit and I won't go with you in long drawn arguments that are futile.

Fact of the matter is that male and female have equal right in our modern society for a fucking long time and nobody stops women from starting companies they are actually encouraged, so why don't they.
Woman starting their own company can be CEO and don't need an SJW left wing politician to put them in that position. And no men will be forced to give up their position.

But wait, most of the big successful companies are started by men, look at all the dirty fckrs. #inequality

edit: Get real these are not memes. Here are facts for you

https://www.economist.com/business/2018/02/17/ten-years-on-from-norways-quota-for-women-on-corporate-boards


The problem is that the attitude is not open towards discussion. All you get back when you ask whether there is a possibility for differences is "lol no look at this and this lol". I'm just puzzled by the intensity with which some men (sometimes women) oppose any suggestion of a possible inequality. The histrionic shit you see online you can just ignore, tho.

It's true that the legal rules and rights are essentially the same, but what is debated here are the apparent differences in advantages based on gender. Suicide rates of men is one such thing, over-representarion of women in low-pay jobs is another. What is it that leads people who are free and equal on paper to different outcomes in general when gender is the variable? There have been no proper exhaustive explanations and this is what modern feminism is about. It's possible that biology has something to do with it, but biology hasn't really been a good predictor of behaviour in our species over the course of history. It's also possible that it's deeply rooted in culture or attitudes (again, the reasons thereof aren't properlt explained)

You say you won't go into arguments the you proceed to "drop some facts" on me? This is the weird part. You only want a one-sided discussion, based on this.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Sep 22 2019 03:13am
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Quote (Djunior @ Sep 22 2019 10:47am)
I never said stuff like "having the upper hand" or shit and I won't go with you in long drawn arguments that are futile.

Fact of the matter is that male and female have equal right in our modern society for a fucking long time and nobody stops women from starting companies they are actually encouraged, so why don't they.
Woman starting their own company can be CEO and don't need an SJW left wing politician to put them in that position. And no men will be forced to give up their position.

But wait, most of the big successful companies are started by men, look at all the dirty fckrs. #inequality

edit: Get real these are not memes. Here are facts for you

https://www.economist.com/business/2018/02/17/ten-years-on-from-norways-quota-for-women-on-corporate-boards


The link given doesn't force men to give up positions. The "you will lose your job", is a meme angle on the issue, to get men scared... The fuck them, if they want to be CEO, the can do that by starting their own company, is sexist in nature. They can be CEO in the company they work. Having a partial old girls network, combined with role models in the company does help. Now if countries need to apply temporary discriminatory actions in order to help create an old girls network, complementing the old boys network differs a bit from country to country.. However.. Norway's seems so successful that our right wing government is thinking about applying it. Making the article alreay a bit outdated ;)

This post was edited by Knoppie on Sep 22 2019 03:09am
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Man wealthier than woman? Oppressor!
Man poorer than woman? Trash!
Man more educated than woman? Privileged!
Man less educated than woman? Loser!
Man's attitude, 'let me protect you!' Benevolent sexist!
Man's attitude, 'I won't protect you.' Misogynist!
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Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 22 2019 11:07am)
The problem is that the attitude is not open towards discussion. All you get back when you ask whether there is a possibility for differences is "lol no look at this and this lol". I'm just puzzled by the intensity with which some men (sometimes women) oppose any suggestion of a possible inequality. The histrionic shit you see online you can just ignore, tho.

It's true that the legal rules and rights are essentially the same, but what is debated here are the apparent differences in advantages based on gender. Suicide rates of men is one such thing, over-representarion of women in low-pay jobs is another. What is it that leads people who are free and equal on paper to different outcomes in general when gender is the variable? There have been no proper exhaustive explanations and this is what modern feminism is about. It's possible that biology has something to do with it, but biology hasn't really been a good predictor of behaviour in our species over the course of history. It's also possible that it's deeply rooted in culture or attitudes (again, the reasons thereof aren't properlt explained)

You say you won't go into arguments the you proceed to "drop some facts" on me? This is the weird part. You only want a one-sided discussion, based on this.



Quote (Knoppie @ Sep 22 2019 11:08am)
The link given doesn't force men to give up positions. The "you will lose your job", is a meme angle on the issue, to get men scared... The fuck them, if they want to be CEO, the can do that by starting their own company, is sexist in nature. They can be CEO in the company they work. Having a partial old girls network, combined with role models in the company does help. Now if countries need to apply temporary discriminatory actions in order to help create an old girls network, complementing the old boys network differs a bit from country to country.. However.. Norway's seems so successful that our right wing government is thinking about applying it. Making the article alreay a bit outdated ;)


Quoted from article

"In much of western Europe, such efforts follow a decade-long push by governments. In 2008 Norway obliged listed companies to reserve at least 40% of their director seats for women on pain of dissolution. In the following five years more than a dozen countries set similar quotas at 30% to 40%. In Belgium, France and Italy, too, firms that fail to comply can be fined, dissolved or banned from paying existing directors. Germany, Spain and the Netherlands prefer soft-law quotas, with no sanctions. Britain opted for guidelines."

You guys don't even read the article. It's your opinion on the matter, cool. Let's agree to disagree I guess
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