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Sep 14 2019 03:49pm
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Do you even know what a p value is

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Do you even know what a p value is

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Do you even know what a p value is?

Inb4 you dont
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Sep 14 2019 04:09pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 14 2019 03:58pm)
And then someone with a bit of common sense can bring in statistics of the negative consequences of fatherlessnes/single parent households vs a 2 parent home having a second child only to see that comparing one to the other is like comparing a category 5 hurricane to some morning mist.


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Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 14 2019 03:43pm)
This makes no sense to my response.

Single parenting/fatherlessness is a massive variable that has a verifiable negative impact on a laundry list of things ranging from economic to behavioral. No amount of skirting around this elephant in the room is going to change things. If this was a regression fatherlessness would be the variable that correlates with everything and has most impact. As an example, naturally the child will have lower resources available in a single parent household considering the mother has to take care of the child which diminishes her ability to work versus a household with 2 parents in which one parent can put in the work hours while the other can take care of the child and maybe also earn.

Everything else stems from this. Quality of healthcare, quality of education, diet choice/availability and on and on. If you want a child to have good healthcare it's much more important that the one parent isn't running around trying to work, provide a roof over their head, go to every appointment, etc. Those things self-fix at least to some extent when there's two parents in the picture.


Regressions don't establish cause, or tell you what the best course of action is. If you are going to take the stance where you stop everything that *can* result in bad things then you're going to waste a ton of time and resources infringing on people's freedoms instead of tackling the real problem, being that resource distribution is currently done very poorly. There is no policy you can enforce that would reasonably prevent divorces that don't also encourage people to stay in toxic relationships. My mother in law is currently staying married because she doesn't believe in divorce even though her husband is a POS and the rest of the family hates him.

We can go back to shotgun weddings if you want, but that would come with its own set of problems that were just as bad if not worse than the ones we currently face from single parent households.
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Sep 14 2019 05:15pm
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Regressions don't establish cause, or tell you what the best course of action is. If you are going to take the stance where you stop everything that *can* result in bad things then you're going to waste a ton of time and resources infringing on people's freedoms instead of tackling the real problem, being that resource distribution is currently done very poorly. There is no policy you can enforce that would reasonably prevent divorces that don't also encourage people to stay in toxic relationships. My mother in law is currently staying married because she doesn't believe in divorce even though her husband is a POS and the rest of the family hates him.

We can go back to shotgun weddings if you want, but that would come with its own set of problems that were just as bad if not worse than the ones we currently face from single parent households.


Sad that someone with a science degree can say this. A regression can tell you what has most impact on an outcome therefore defining your objective. If 99% of a bacteria growth is attributed to 10 variables and we find out that 2 of those variables are responsible for 95% of 'growth' then guess what? doing your best to control for those variable will yield much better results, that's the value of regression and that's the value of being honest that fatherlessness is magnitudes more important than many other variables.

I don't want regulation against divorce. Individual blame does very little for a societal and ideological issue. The issue here is moral relativism which places a higher value on hedonism versus responsibility (by responsibility i mean doing what's best for the child). What's toxic to kids is indoctrinating both mothers and fathers that their individual wants supersede the needs of the child. Kids need a stable and loving home and all the tangibles that come with that (finances), but parents split up because they want someone more attractive, they want more excitement, they want someone that makes more money and on and on.

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Two parent households are capable of neglect as well.

If you dont want kids neglected then theres no reason to tacitly imply single mothers are necessarily neglecting their kids.


Capable but less likely given that they have more resources to work with
single mother's who pursue a lifestyle of debauchery are neglecting their kids
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Sep 14 2019 05:17pm
I dont' really think the main issue that you guys are arguing is even on topic or even a good topic of debate.

The main point of discussion should be framed around the idea that people are less wary of getting pregnant and facing consequences than they used to be. This creates a cycle of people 'ruining' their lives by having children with people they don't want and before they want them. Heck, it possibly even ruins their chances at finding true love and living a very fulfilled life. Even if a mother provides the bare minimum for her child, at best she has flings on the side unless she is able to attract a father, and in the end it would end up the same as a two parent househould.

Why even argue against the fact that it is optimum, instead you should be debating the different ways to have people keep their rights and equality all the while reducing the amount of children birthed into unwilling situations.
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Sep 14 2019 05:22pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 14 2019 06:15pm)
Sad that someone with a science degree can say this. A regression can tell you what has most impact on an outcome therefore defining your objective. If 99% of a bacteria growth is attributed to 10 variables and we find out that 2 of those variables are responsible for 95% of 'growth' then guess what? doing your best to control for those variable will yield much better results, that's the value of regression and that's the value of being honest that fatherlessness is magnitudes more important than many other variables.

I don't want regulation against divorce. Individual blame does very little for a societal and ideological issue. The issue here is moral relativism which places a higher value on hedonism versus responsibility (by responsibility i mean doing what's best for the child). What's toxic to kids is indoctrinating both mothers and fathers that their individual wants supersede the needs of the child. Kids need a stable and loving home and all the tangibles that come with that (finances), but parents split up because they want someone more attractive, they want more excitement, they want someone that makes more money and on and on.


A regression is a useful tool, but its also an easily misused one if you take a simplistic view of causality.

Your reasons for parents splitting up are similarly simplistic.
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Sep 14 2019 05:24pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 14 2019 06:15pm)
Capable but less likely given that they have more resources to work with
single mother's who pursue a lifestyle of debauchery are neglecting their kids


Are they? Because its possible to hire babysitters you know
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Sep 14 2019 05:34pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Sep 2019 19:24)
Are they? Because its possible to hire babysitters you know


You should know that simply watching a child does not equate emotional learning.
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