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Jul 24 2019 11:12am
Trump derangement syndrome in full affect.

It’s a shame it’s turned once good posters into full on caricatures of themselves.
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Jul 24 2019 11:16am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Jul 24 2019 10:12am)
Trump derangement syndrome in full affect.

It’s a shame it’s turned once good posters into full on caricatures of themselves.


You mean the guy that got shitposted on by the trumpers here every time he made valid criticisms of Trump or something around Trump and Trump ass kissing hypocritical Republicans?
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Jul 24 2019 11:21am
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 24 2019 12:06pm)
Cool story retard.


you say i struggle with basic facts but cant answer basic questions.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 24 2019 12:12pm)
You really struggle with this simple question of what realistic and productive national security results could have been achieved by this investigation


answer: "we had to try, for reasons"

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 24 2019 11:22am
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Jul 24 2019 11:23am
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You mean the guy that got shitposted on by the trumpers here every time he made valid criticisms of Trump or something around Trump and Trump ass kissing hypocritical Republicans?


We've now spent years trying to nail the president on obscure process crimes for something we all agree never happened.

It's ok to admit when mistakes are made.
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Jul 24 2019 11:24am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 24 2019 01:12pm)
You really struggle with this simple question of what realistic and productive national security results could have been achieved by this investigation
We're 3 years and a bajillion articles, interviews, subpoenas, talking heads, testimonies, etc into the Mueller investigation which has now been closed, and we've still not been presented with anything beyond what Goomshill@jsp was posting to a shitty video game forum a full 3 years ago, based on what was already public facts. And even I was willing to make the more relevant distinctions for national security of Russia's motive in this operation, something PBS ran an entire documentary about, the 2011 Hillary snafu -> Putin's payback.

Understanding the Russian motives at least is relevant, because it shows the dynamics of what caused this and how it could be avoided in the future. Our national security is predicated upon understanding geopolitical considerations like that.

Its pretty clear this didn't actually achieve anything for national security, but penis_hat is asking the more hypothetical question of what could it have achieved.
We already knew what happened and why. And instead of investigating that, which seems to have been an afterthought- and indeed with Mueller neglecting to follow up on potential Russian avenues of attack we don't know about like Mifsud and the Steele Dossier's origins- instead he spent all his time in a Beria-esque routine deliberating about process crimes and whether someone sneezed on him in an elevator and could be prosecuted for obstruction.


Yes... understanding the extent of the Russian interference in our election has no national security use at all. And why bother trying to determine whether a presidential campaign conspired with a foreign adversary? Or whether Russia has some sort of leverage over the president? Total waste of time.

So many hot takes today... let it all out guys.
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Jul 24 2019 11:29am
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Yes... understanding the extent of the Russian interference in our election has no national security use at all. And why bother trying to determine whether a presidential campaign conspired with a foreign adversary? Or whether Russia has some sort of leverage over the president? Total waste of time.

So many hot takes today... let it all out guys.


i said they barely touched the interference, goom agrees. as does the report.

but sure, keep the crutch as long as you need.

i quite agree they should have gone ham on that aspect, i even said so in this thread (you ignored that a few times ofc)
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Jul 24 2019 11:37am
Quote (IceMage @ 24 Jul 2019 13:06)
Cool story retard.

snarky privileged lefty at it again throwing tantrums. just like when your stepdad tells you to bring up your pile of dirty dishes out of his basement you’re still squatting in lmfao, pathetic..
Quote (Landmine @ 24 Jul 2019 12:46)
Ice mage and his tds needs a reality check.


all the pale pasty privileged lefty election-deniers that spam this gutter of a subforum do. between icepeon the coward and little fella thor the small-timer reliant on mommie-in-law, there’s a whole lot of inability to do math or face basic facts. lot of privilege though that’s for sure
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Jul 24 2019 11:44am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 24 2019 01:29pm)
i said they barely touched the interference, goom agrees. as does the report.

but sure, keep the crutch as long as you need.

i quite agree they should have gone ham on that aspect, i even said so in this thread (you ignored that a few times ofc)


I don't get it... how can you say they barely touched the interference? They identified the individuals involved at the GRU and IRA... they explained what they did. They talked about Russia hacking into voter databases. They outline the Russian contacts with Trump campaign officials, which may or may not have been directed by the Russian government. What did they miss?

The question of whether the dossier was a deliberate effort from the Russian government to misinform is an interesting one. I hope the FBI is looking into it.
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Jul 24 2019 11:47am
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 24 2019 12:24pm)
Yes... understanding the extent of the Russian interference in our election has no national security use at all. And why bother trying to determine whether a presidential campaign conspired with a foreign adversary? Or whether Russia has some sort of leverage over the president? Total waste of time.

So many hot takes today... let it all out guys.


Good idea, he should have understood the extent of Russian interference and its motives, methods, weaknesses, etc
And instead of doing that, he deliberated on process crimes.

As said, Mueller has been outright neglectful at pursuing leads on the actual Russian interference operation that still remaining unanswered. Great effort was made to look up whether Trump officials lied to him, but not the sources that sparked this nonsense. And great effort was made to examine the improprieties of Michael Cohen paying off a porn star over an affair, but we still don't know if Steele was being fed disinformation by the Russian government as a ploy to interfere in our election. We have learned extremely little about the actual Russian operation and its full extent that we didn't already know 3 years ago in full public view. But we sure do know who lied to who, who exaggerated what, who's roommate's uncles boyfriend's housekeeper thought about firing Mueller even if that would be a lawful exertion of executive powers.

Where this really boils over into farcical territory is the prosecution of Concord Management, where Mueller's team has had a complete disaster in court. To even make their case at all, they've relied upon an utterly insane legal overreach that reinterprets a statute to say that even if Concord's activities were protected by the first amendment and not regulated under campaign finance or election requirements, that the fact they posted anonymously deprived the FEC of its regulatory powers and thus constituted conspiracy to defraud the government. Its hard to even fathom how a serious lawyer could dream that up, because both you and I could be prosecuted under that statute for the posts we're making right now. What's my name? What's yours? We're online, we're anonymous, the FEC isn't regulating our posts, they could theoretically influence the election somehow even if there's no monetary value or underlying criminal violations. And then Mueller team's did a bunch of cheap stalling tactics like flooding discovery with terabytes of untranslated russian social media posts and when threatened with contempt, actually backed away and said they couldn't allege a relationship between the Russian troll farm and Russian government and could not present such evidence at trial. That's all without even getting into their discovery shenanigans.

Its clear enough that Mueller's team was woefully underprepared to actually take on the Russian interference operation itself. They didn't investigate it fully, they didn't find the evidence they needed to prosecute it, and they're bungling the one trial they got and trying to butcher the law. So how does this help our national security? I think Mueller did a very thorough job investigating if Trump farted on an elevator in 2017 while James Comey was within the reach of gaseous expansion and could present diagrams and charts of fluids in a closed chamber, but ask him why Russia hacked the DNC and he'd say 'dunno'
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Jul 24 2019 11:54am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 24 2019 01:47pm)
Good idea, he should have understood the extent of Russian interference and its motives, methods, weaknesses, etc
And instead of doing that, he deliberated on process crimes.

As said, Mueller has been outright neglectful at pursuing leads on the actual Russian interference operation that still remaining unanswered. Great effort was made to look up whether Trump officials lied to him, but not the sources that sparked this nonsense. And great effort was made to examine the improprieties of Michael Cohen paying off a porn star over an affair, but we still don't know if Steele was being fed disinformation by the Russian government as a ploy to interfere in our election. We have learned extremely little about the actual Russian operation and its full extent that we didn't already know 3 years ago in full public view. But we sure do know who lied to who, who exaggerated what, who's roommate's uncles boyfriend's housekeeper thought about firing Mueller even if that would be a lawful exertion of executive powers.

Where this really boils over into farcical territory is the prosecution of Concord Management, where Mueller's team has had a complete disaster in court. To even make their case at all, they've relied upon an utterly insane legal overreach that reinterprets a statute to say that even if Concord's activities were protected by the first amendment and not regulated under campaign finance or election requirements, that the fact they posted anonymously deprived the FEC of its regulatory powers and thus constituted conspiracy to defraud the government. Its hard to even fathom how a serious lawyer could dream that up, because both you and I could be prosecuted under that statute for the posts we're making right now. What's my name? What's yours? We're online, we're anonymous, the FEC isn't regulating our posts, they could theoretically influence the election somehow even if there's no monetary value or underlying criminal violations. And then Mueller team's did a bunch of cheap stalling tactics like flooding discovery with terabytes of untranslated russian social media posts and when threatened with contempt, actually backed away and said they couldn't allege a relationship between the Russian troll farm and Russian government and could not present such evidence at trial. That's all without even getting into their discovery shenanigans.

Its clear enough that Mueller's team was woefully underprepared to actually take on the Russian interference operation itself. They didn't investigate it fully, they didn't find the evidence they needed to prosecute it, and they're bungling the one trial they got and trying to butcher the law. So how does this help our national security? I think Mueller did a very thorough job investigating if Trump farted on an elevator in 2017 while James Comey was within the reach of gaseous expansion and could present diagrams and charts of fluids in a closed chamber, but ask him why Russia hacked the DNC and he'd say 'dunno'


I read every word carefully.
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