Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 5 2019 03:48pm)

Interesting post. Who here said there's no slavery in the Bible? Even your wiki page doesn't indicate that it's okay to enslave others. It tries to make a strange inference that "because it doesn't say you can't enslave a non hebrew, that means you can! Ha!" That's even shakier reasoning considering:

Exodus 24:16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."

1 Timothy 1:9-10 "We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine"

Note that "Slaver" and "Slave Trader" are synonyms for those who actively enslave people and make their livelihoods selling slaves. So, once again, nowhere in the bible does it condone enslavement. And it does actively condemn slavers. So yeah. I'm not sure what you're trying to add here.

And why would I be enamored of the bible's philosphy? My argument is that the bible is rock hard solid on it's views regarding alternative lifestyles. Therefore expecting alternative lifestyles to be allowed into church leadership is a far-flung thought. In fact, going on the timothy verses above, it seems the Bible rather directly condemns both slave traders and alternative lifestyles.

As I ALSO said before, there is nothing to prevent those who lead alternative lifestyles from breaking off and forming their own congregation, or even denomination in the church. Why not? Protestants have been breaking off over issues of dogma for quite some time now.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 5 2019 02:56pm)

Slave trader there refers to people who raid for slaves to sell

Exodus only gives rights to fellow israelites with regard to slavery. Theres plenty of OT raiding and taking slaves.

The bible was considered rock solid on lots of things no longer taken seriously by modern Christians. I agree its likely to create a fracture in the future.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 5 2019 08:07am)

Theres virtually no nuance on slavery. Its fine, has explicit instructions on who to enslave and how, and was explicitely endorsed by Jesus.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 5 2019 09:15am)

I can talk about whatever the fuck I want. A church is a church is a church. Islam exists too, and is held to a lower standard, why?

Both are Abrahamic religions. Both hold to the same core teachings (the dead sea scrolls) and both are intolerant of the same things.

Islam just takes it 10 steps farther. Yet here we are pointing the finger at Christians, for being "intolerant".

No. They just don't want alternative lifestyles in the leadership roles that preach how to lead a sin-free life.

Intolerance is hanging gays from cranes.

Quote (Skinned @ Mar 5 2019 05:46pm)

You can talk about what you want but we are talking about Christianity and you are talking about Islam. They are not the same thing. Ask any practitioner or educated person on the matter.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 5 2019 07:57pm)

More accurately, people are spending all their time shitting on the church for their alleged "intolerance" because they don't want those of an alternative lifestyle in their leadership, as their holy books claim alternative lifestyles are a sin. Can't have the preacher man preaching sin.

It's not enough that the church cheerfully welcomes those of an alternative lifestyle into their congregations. Nah, now it's required that they be promoted to leadership, otherwise INTOLERANT!!!

Rather than just forming their own congregation and/or denomination so they can have gay preachers, they have to force everyone else to compromise their own values. And when everyone else refuses to compromise their principles, oh noes! Intolerant.

No, I bring up Islam because the moment you think the Church is intolerant, take your alternative lifestyle into a mosque in Iran or Qatar and demand leadership amongst that congregation. Then you'll know the definition of intolerance.

I get that the goal is to erode the base values of Christianity. I'm not sure why. I'm also not sure why other religions are not being provided the same treatment.

And while they certainly aren't the same thing, ALL Abrahamic religions are in perfect agreement that alternative lifestyles violate their principles. The difference? The Christian version isn't going to expel you from the congregation, community, or attempt to kill you because of it.

So, want an alternative lifestyle-led denomination? Go build it. Nobody is going to stop you.

Quote (pwb3 @ Mar 5 2019 06:29pm)

Divorce is clearly stated as a sin all over the Bible. Jesus himself brought that up several times (and not even once homosexuality, but never mind that). And yet there’s millions of divorced-and-remarries Christians within the churches all over the world today, and not one member blinks an eye about it. No one cares. Hypocrites.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 5 2019 10:31pm)

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 5 2019 07:31pm)

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