https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/997271424590143488



Pretty damn despicable imo.

from the first source: "Even now, after everything I went through, I don’t think badly of Americans. In fact, I think Americans deserve honesty from their intelligence officers. I don’t believe most ordinary people would have supported what the C.I.A. did to me if they’d known."

Lady: Let me introduce you to PaRD. Where ppl downplay waterboarding as not being torture. One's life being put near the end of existence, over and over again... is alright. Like Icemage almost said: These innocent ppl probably give valuable information at a critical point of war, when tortured.. (Not that the US has been in a critical dangerous point of war in the last 50 years). And with a handbook on how to waterboard, everything is safe and sound. No need to delete CIA interrogation videos at all...

You see. Americans are decent humans... Gitmo is a great place to have a cup of tea.

The three statements "Waterboarding is torture", "Waterboarding does no lasting harm and aint that bad" and "Torture as a policy is morally wrong and inhuman", aren't mutually exclusive
nor are "Gina Haspel holds responsibility for the torture" and "The CIA should never torture again" and "Gina Haspel is just fine for the next CIA director"

Perhaps it's possible to have an efficient waterboarding session, without it being torture and without it having lasting harm... That would be something like: wiping my face with a wet towel and giving me a good glass of wine before answering questions. However in a prisoner/guard relation, this shit is gonna escalate. You guys can discuss if having lasting effects even matter for something to be torture, (you can basically remove every organ and put them back after questioning, with little "lasting effect". You can scale torture with how "bad" it is, and call it "soft torture" if you like.

Doesn't change that from my cultural perspective the practice is inhumane, immoral, despicable and Gitmo should have never been opened.

This post was edited by Knoppie on May 20 2018 06:12am

its really not that complicated. All they have to do is make sure the guys head is on a downwards incline and count to 10 for each waterboarding. KSM got so used to it he would mock his interrogators by counting down the 10 seconds on his finger. Having the head down prevents water from going up the throat and into the lungs, pooling in the nasal cavity instead. And going 10 seconds won't asphyxiate anyone.
Now in terms of whether that can be carried out according to regulation without guards escalating it? I doubt it. Not at low level interrogations. High profile prisoners might be another matter.

how about the sexual tortures, humilations, and deprivation thingies murica did in guanotamo ?

Also what if the person didn't do it but still confess, just to get relieve? Is information obtained through torture even reliable?

It not being complicated doesn't really matter. Using a taser isn't complicated as well. Putting someone's head in a bucket of water is easy to do.. I'm just hoping ppl don't forget to remove the wet cloth from someone's face after the 10 seconds pouring of water. Depending on the type of cloth, this could end the interrogation/torture within a few minutes.. Escalations are bound to happen in normal cases as well btw, the guard/prisoner experiment was performed by normal citizens, it would be interesting to see how far they would take it, when more tools were given and the guards were told that one of them had information of a "buried treasure". Just need to find out who has it?


The reason why it's ineffective. Thor made that point from the beginning.

This post was edited by Knoppie on May 20 2018 07:13am