lol bruh. save ur rants until the dust settles at least.



This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 1 2017 12:46pm

i stopped it here.

Yes, that's been rather obvious since the start, I was pointing it out almost a year ago now.
Its all about the Trump-Obama diplomacy spat during the transition that I couldn't shut up about last year, where Obama was doing measures while outgoing that would throw wrenches into Trump's administration. The Russian sanctions and Israeli UN vote were just two of them, there was also Bear Ears, the Planned Parenthood mandate, a bunch of small regulations, etc etc. I think I still have a copy/paste wall of text around it, I'm sure you've read it at some point.

So what Mueller is homing in on is something that's been an open secret in Washington from the start, but doesn't show collusion or have anything to do with the election
But it does weaponize well against Trump because he can expose Trump's back channel and efforts to distance himself from it with disavowals, and maybe expose him in a lie
Except none of that is illegal on any remotely enforceable law, nor even unethical or that unusual for a presidential transition.

All that is starting to paint that Mueller just dropped the cloak and came out charging as a democrat political agent, not an impartial investigator.

and you can say that if Trump, who hadn't been sworn in as the POTUS, directed his campaign to make contact with russian officials he's not guilty of something? at the bare minimum its so idiotic and negligent that he didnt wait a month to do with with the narrative for months being Russia wants POTUS Trump.

That's the problem with labels... too simplistic. I've definitely become more moderate in the past few years, I still hate the blacks and gays though, so I can never be in the Democratic party.

every incoming president initiates foreign contacts and send out feelers before taking office. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, they all directed their staff to start talking to other heads before January
And when Obama was using his outgoing months to try to enact a bunch of diplomatic crisises that would plague the Trump administration directly contrary to Obama's promise of a dignified transition of power?
Obama was running around enacting a bunch of 180 degree flip policies from his own administration that were designed just to stymie Trump, and Trump was running around trying to defuse them.
The fear was that Russia would take retaliatory tit-for-tat measures against the USA as Putin was threatening against Obama, which would continue to escalate and poison relations between the countries before Trump could be sworn in
So Trump went behind Obama's back with the Flynn back channel, and suddenly the next thing you know instead of Putin swearing revenge against diplomats, he hosted an over-the-top christmas party for diplomats and their families and showered the children in gifts in a ridiculous display.


None of this has been a secret from the get go, but what it means is that instead of looking into the election like he was supposed to, instead of even looking into serious crimes, Mueller's delving into sensitive diplomacy and the bitter Obama-Trump tussle, which will open the door to democrats employing the circular logic of accusing Trump of being compromised by Russia because he tried to fight back against the measures Obama was doing in response to accusing Trump of being compromised by Russia.
Imagine if 10 months ago the democrats demanded a special counsel to investigate whether the logan act was violated by Trump after he won the election fairly.
Imagine if they actually got it. That's demented.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 1 2017 01:13pm

But Flynn is also saying that he was directed by Trump during the campaign to contact Russian officials. If those contacts had anything to do with the DNC emails that were hacked, then that is direct evidence of collusion. Obviously, we don't know if that is the case yet, so we'll have to see what comes out in the coming days and weeks. But THAT would be a hell of a bombshell, IF it turned out to be true.

life long republican is suddenly a democrat agent ?

what i find funny is that you spend all this time typing this out without even once taking a second to interpret that new piece of info to mean that Trump may have asked Flynn to make contact during the election itself and not transition.

whether its transition, campaign, or both who knows. which is why this is a meme topic, not a rant topic imo. but feel free to do you goomy.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 1 2017 01:29pm

Have you got a link to a source claiming that?
All the testimony I've seen is that he's testifying that the Trump campaign after the election told him to make contact with Russian officials, initially to organize against ISIS, then to rally the UN vote and calm Putin's tits over the sanctions.
IE:
>As part of a plea deal, former national security adviser Michael Flynn has admitted that a senior member of the Trump transition team directed him to make contact with Russian officials in December 2016.

Are you sure the Brian Ross quote above isn't conflating the two? Because the twitter buzz around it is suggesting that
Just typing it into google I get:



This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 1 2017 01:32pm