Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2017 11:13am)
The thread is about the UK... we all know Hillary lost, it's been over a year. Is it possible to have a rational discussion about foreign policy and Russia without bringing up the tired anti-Hillary talking points? She's irrelevant now.
I'm not sure what you mean by "it's the way the game is played". If you mean that we shouldn't be surprised Russia is running a propaganda campaign through social media, I agree. I'd also say(and I don't know if you would agree with this) we should work to combat this sort of propaganda, and we should create consequences when Russia does this sort of thing.
You seem to take pride in having the perspective of a citizen of the world, so wouldn't you expect Russia to retaliate had we hacked the emails of party officials in Russia? Or if we ran a comprehensive propaganda campaign to sow discord in their country? Even if I were to accept your equivocation between the US and Russia(no good powers, no bad powers), it's just good sense for major powers to respond to these actions.
We have and we do. NATO has been inching closer and closer to the Russian borders. We have THAAD missiles pointing at Russia in Poland and Romania. Think about how would you feel if the Russians struck some deal with Cuba or Venezuela or whatever other nation close to us and started building military infrastructure right next door to us. Most recently we went into Ukraine and started meddling there and overthrew a pro Russian regime in favor of a western one. Ukrainians are extremely close to Russians culturally, ancestrally, etc. Can you imagine if the US had a disagreement with Canada and Russia started sending weapon systems, and training the Canadians for a war with us? This is a objective equivalence that you will dismiss, once again , because you think we are somehow representative of good guys and what we do is for some absolute good, no matter how damaging it is to those regions of the world. Like i said look at Libya & ME, can you really say with a straight face that our interference there was a net positive?
Just like Israelis meddle in Iranian affairs or the Saudis in Lebanese, Syrian, Qatari, Yemeni, et cetera . This is how the world works, countries that have the power to meddle do so for their own benefit. It's to our benefit to go to a bunch of east Asian countries and influence them to form military alliances against China. It's to our benefit to do the same in Europe against Russia. It's to our benefit to interfere in the ME and place people and regimes in power that will be friendly to us and give ear to our interests. Just because American media doesn't broadcast our use of soft power (and it's quite extensive compared to Russias doesn't mean it doesn't exist)
Quote (dro94 @ Nov 23 2017 11:17am)
A Putin apologist telling other people to use their brain :lol:
I actually remember a conversation we had about this a while ago and you were exactly the same.
Where you been gayboy i missed you.
Ah yes "Putin apologist" that's totally me m8
