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#41
Jan 3 2018 04:08pm
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says you, who didnt live in the village. all perspective.



that guys not an isolated indecent, ive heard many such reports. if we want to be better than terrorists taking the easy way out and slaughtering innocents isnt a good way to do it.

but overall you're missing my point, big time. and don your tinfoil hat because its a good one. there are billionaires who have lobbied for the US govt to enter conflicts simply for their financial gain. they have knowingly sacrificed millions for a bigger bank account. you can call this not terrorism, but greed is as much of a legitimate motivator for terrorism as religion or revenge. we have also had billionaires lobby for the US NOT to get in conflicts, so that instead their mercenary bands can do a worse job (read: far less accountability/oversight) and they can profit from it. these are heavy hitters with massive sway in the govt pushing for the death of others for their gain, i dont see the difference of cash and virgins in the afterlife as important.

if americans dont want to recognize that our greed has led us to commit as many terrorist acts as Islam has that's hypocrisy. we need to root out the hawkish and criminal elements of our govt and expose immoral lobbying practices. Pakistan is no different. but in both cases overgeneralization serves no purpose but to harden the resolve of those who would do others harm. and makes those who might have spoken out less likely to do so imo.


That narrative is so common on the internet... but I don't think it makes any sense.

The U.S. doesn't engage in conflict because of these spooky financial interests, we engage in conflict for the national strategic interest. Even foreign policy mistakes like Iraq were undertaken because of misguided concerns over national security. It's not like this stuff is a mystery... go back to basically any US conflict in history and there were valid reasons for engaging.
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Jan 3 2018 04:13pm
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That narrative is so common on the internet... but I don't think it makes any sense.

The U.S. doesn't engage in conflict because of these spooky financial interests, we engage in conflict for the national strategic interest. Even foreign policy mistakes like Iraq were undertaken because of misguided concerns over national security. It's not like this stuff is a mystery... go back to basically any US conflict in history and there were valid reasons for engaging.


i dont think the two are exclusive to each other. especially as im saying there is a small group doing this, influencing a larger group. if, for example, it was an "inside job" to spread the intel that Iraq had WMDs both of us are right. because one small nefarious group influenced the larger innocent group. i understand if that road is too tinfoily to head down, in fact id rather not, i just wanted to make my justifications for my positions known.

i should add, that i dont think those in pakistani and other ME govts that fund terrorism do it for a unified goal. some surely do it to help their rise in power, others for revenge, others for religion, others for money, and most if not all for a nuanced combination of all these. war is a business afterall.
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Jan 3 2018 04:14pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jan 3 2018 04:56pm)
No you don't typically see minority rights groups surfacing in fascist states.




I haven't checked the news yet today, but I'm surprised that the UN isn't screaming bloody murder by now.
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Jan 3 2018 05:14pm
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That narrative is so common on the internet... but I don't think it makes any sense.

The U.S. doesn't engage in conflict because of these spooky financial interests, we engage in conflict for the national strategic interest. Even foreign policy mistakes like Iraq were undertaken because of misguided concerns over national security. It's not like this stuff is a mystery... go back to basically any US conflict in history and there were valid reasons for engaging.


McKinley era was all about opening markets. Containment as well.
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Jan 3 2018 05:21pm


There's a movie called War Inc.

Everyone should have a watch.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0884224/

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Jan 4 2018 07:39am
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I gotta say... it's refreshing to see this. I don't know if it's strategically wise or not, but it's the truth.


Pakistan moves away from the dollar towards China and other trade partners, given the timing they were likely waiting for the Trump administration to do something like this to give them a convenient out. Given China's humanitarian issues and shady business practices its not likely they're going to care much what Pakistani govt officials do. Seems doubtful to me it could be a direct response by Pakistan in this short of a time period, most likely they just saw it as a convenient time to bail. As to what direct exports/imports that will effect and to what degree i couldnt say, but countries gravitating to china doesnt seem like a positive thing to me.
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#47
Jan 15 2018 07:53pm


Erdogan: we will 'strangle' U.S.-backed force in Syria "before it's even born"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/erdogan-we-will-strangle-u-s-backed-force-in-syria-before-its-even-born-idUSKBN1F41HJ



Too much middle east BS to even quote anything. But it's starting to get "spicy" in Syria atm.
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Jan 15 2018 08:45pm
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Erdogan: we will 'strangle' U.S.-backed force in Syria "before it's even born"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/erdogan-we-will-strangle-u-s-backed-force-in-syria-before-its-even-born-idUSKBN1F41HJ



Too much middle east BS to even quote anything. But it's starting to get "spicy" in Syria atm.


Read this article earlier. These events are actually a pretty big deal. Our foreign policy over the span of the last 5-6 years has been ineptitude at best. Not that i like the Turks, in fact it would be a joyous day when that regime collapses, but our foreign policy decisions have alienated a heavyweight in the region (Turkey). Not only have we alienated and continue to alienate the Turks but they are increasingly friendly towards our arch nemesis Russia. You're really starting to see the formation of a pretty formidable axis here. It's the enemy of my enemy is my friend type scenario playing out. We're really starting to accumulate some serious heavy adversaries. Russia and China already seem to be on the same team when countering US hegemony. Russia has been solidifying relations with Iran and now as we are alienating Turkey Russia is there to draw them in. As i look around the globe i see loss after loss on the hegemony level. We're losing the Philippines to China, our ally, Saudi Arabia, lost Yemen and now Qatar to the Iranians, we are slowly losing the Turks to the Russians, we lost Syria, we lost Iraq to Shiites who are basically backed by Iran, etc.

I would really love to see the strategic goals and plans of DOD/Intelligence community regarding the above because it's not really making much sense to me currently.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 15 2018 09:00pm
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#49
Jan 16 2018 03:31am
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#50
Jan 25 2018 12:58am


Erdogan says to extend Syria operation despite risk of U.S. confrontation

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey/erdogan-says-to-extend-syria-operation-despite-risk-of-u-s-confrontation-idUSKBN1FD1YD

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ANKARA/BEIRUT (Reuters) - President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday Turkey would extend its military operation in Syria to the town of Manbij, a move that could potentially bring Turkish forces into confrontation with those of their NATO ally the United States.




Things are heating up.
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