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Jul 3 2016 07:08pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 3 2016 05:02pm)
Wow, what an inspiring standard to hold our Presidents to: "Shit doesn't change. Life goes on."

No wonder you don't strive to hold your leadership to be more accountable, transparent, trustworthy and responsible. I think it's easy to say that a President doesn't do much and forget what the likes of Washington, Lincoln, and FDR have done for this country while in the Oval Office.

It isn't unreasonable of me or young voters to have a problem with the amount of corruption we see in modern American politics or our likely next Head of State being in the middle of an FBI criminal investigation.


What doesn't change? What are the great injustices?

Lives have gotten better and easier. The world has improved in more ways than it has worsened. Overall violence and harshness are down.

Life does go on and it's not that bad. Clinton will continue the slow pace of improvement and as long as we head in the right direction it'll be alright alright alright
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Jul 3 2016 07:56pm
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I think it is perfectly reasonable to have high expectations for the leadership of this country. Never should we become so cynical that we accept this amount of corruption as the default option. You're kidding yourself if you think all of this is normal or par for the course for American politicians.

We haven't had a major presidential nominee this wrapped up in scandals and criminal investigations since Richard Nixon's second bid for the Oval Office in 1972. Like Clinton, Nixon was brilliant, cunning, and had tons of potential as a leader, but his political scandals led to his undoing and a dark time period in American history.


What's funny is, if you ask anyone in Europe or Asia about Nixon, they don't think he's corrupt. They think it's very strange that we made such a big deal out of something so small.

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No this is literally the most pathetic election is U.S. history. Somehow, "we" managed to nominate two candidates who are universally despised by the vast majority of the population, one of whom is the subject of a criminal investigation. Never should this have been allowed.

By "we" I mean whoever actually decides the nominations, which is obviously not the people.


Except, you know, the people did decide the nominations. If they didn't, Trump sure as hell wouldn't be the nominee. Clinton got like 55% of the vote...maybe more.

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Jul 3 2016 08:27pm
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Except, you know, the people did decide the nominations. If they didn't, Trump sure as hell wouldn't be the nominee. Clinton got like 55% of the vote...maybe more.


And yet the majority of the country wants neither as president. Something's off.

I'm not saying it's rigged if that's what you think I meant.

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Jul 3 2016 09:15pm
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What doesn't change? What are the great injustices?

Lives have gotten better and easier. The world has improved in more ways than it has worsened. Overall violence and harshness are down.

Life does go on and it's not that bad. Clinton will continue the slow pace of improvement and as long as we head in the right direction it'll be alright alright alright


I agree that the US in a good place right now and that our lives are pretty good, but that's because the American people have fought and worked very hard over many generations to keep it that way.

The philosophy of "Eh, who cares. Life goes on. Shit doesn't change." is not one that previous Americans and leaders have employed to help ensure that this country is as great as it is. Ensuring that our country remains strong and prosperous requires vigilance, not indifference.

I challenge you to advocate for our leadership to be more transparent, more trustworthy and more responsible in serving the American public.

Our public servants should be held to high standards, and we should never accept a baseline level of corruption as being normal, unless we wish for it to become our new normal.

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What's funny is, if you ask anyone in Europe or Asia about Nixon, they don't think he's corrupt. They think it's very strange that we made such a big deal out of something so small.


Should we hold our government officials to the same standards as some of the regimes in Asia? Is the hearsay of what people in Asia and Europe think about Richard Nixon a good defense of the wrongdoings or untrustworthiness of one of our major presidential nominees?

Do you think we should accept a certain level of corruption in our leaders as being normal?

Lastly, does our future president being involved in an ongoing criminal investigation alarm you in any way or is this just some vast Republican conspiracy against our new overlord?
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Jul 5 2016 09:27am
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Typical liberal garbage, "dumb republicans."


It sounds like you just stupidly misread the post, inferring that I was calling all Republicans dumb, instead of correctly noting the contours of what happened with this case: everyone else of all ideological stripes and levels of intellect understood the basic legal process at work here: Democrats, Independents, NPPs, even smart Republicans who personally dislike Clinton. It was only the dumbest of Republicans who, time and again, got this basic process wrong.

The FBI cannot "lean toward indictment." The FBI can not indict someone. A grand jury would have determined Clinton's innocence had the FBI recommended charges, but they didn't because she was innocent on the merits. You could have known that about a year ago had you had better sources. Every statute the government could use against Clinton (including their past usage in court) from Title 18, Section 1924 to both 793(d) and 793(f) of the Espionage Act pointed to Clinton being innocent on the merits. Even if that weren't the case, the FBI couldn't magically judge her guilty.

I don't know why you linked to "conviction rate." You'd have been better off looking up "indictment" and studying how that process works before making the thread.
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Jul 5 2016 02:14pm
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Is that Breitbart street?


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Jul 5 2016 02:20pm
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gonna need the deets on this when you get back
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gonna need the deets on this when you get back


Stab in the dark.

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how could this have happened.
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