Well I can certainly see how you're a 40 year old loser with 34k posts, you sure can pound out the bullshit.

However,

You have still yet to explain to me how you, you YOU were alive in your mother's womb. You don't seem to understand. At one point you were a collection of cells, just a developing organism, there was no YOU, no alive HUMAN; no alive conscious being. But at a certain point, you matured and were birthed. If you were aborted, you, Mr. Santara, never existed, you were a collection of aborted cells.

Understand? Do I have to break out mathematical schematics? Or would a NFL playbook make it easier to understand?

This post was edited by CarsV on Aug 17 2015 08:02am

Because I assume you're not a vegetarian?

This post was edited by Scaly on Aug 17 2015 08:50am

...buy a dictionary...murder can only be committed against another human being .

TBH you dont seem to get you're getting fucked hard on the "conscious" part of your own argument. Consciousness isnt the hinge point of the debate whatsoever, look at people in comas with no chance of coming out of the coma.

The part of the debate you should be focusing on is the mother's/parent's legal control of a child before its born(which includes its right to be born), to focus on consciousness is a fool's endeavor because there are counter arguments for how we treat conscious adults and adults who are unable to make decisions for themselves.

Chuck Todd is actually one of the MSNBC guys I like.

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Only 7 minutes into this interview, but I'm impressed so far.

Which hopefully the adult has made a decision before the decision needs to be made for them. If Consciousness is not returning, then the body should be "let go" and the organ's and viable parts for transplant harvested.

And of course a woman has to have control of what happens inside her body, That fetus is a part of her it is her's as long as that umbilical cord is attached to her and the fetus. Once the cord is cut the fetus becomes a baby and then is a viable human being. Before that it is totally dependent on the mother = non-viable

cord attached= part of mother= fetus= non-viable human

cord gets cut= separate entity= baby= human

easy peasy..

Im 100% pro choice, so i agree with everything you said personally.

tell that to cecil the lion

Awww, some random retard is making fun of my age and experience. afk /wrists

I suggest you crack a dictionary. Start with these terms:





Now, you've already noted that what is growing inside the mother is a "developing organism," which is perfectly accurate. Organism.



So now, between the dictionary and your own terminology, we have established the existence of life. Next is the term human. Now, if the developing organism isn't human, could you please denote which species it belongs? Be precise.

This is basic biology here. Now, you can have a legitimate discussion about whether you think a zygote/fetus is a legal "person," but in no way can you deny that it is both alive and human.

Now onto consciousness. I'll repost since you must have missed it:



Scientists, you know - people who actually make it their business to figure things out empirically - have determined that fetuses are capable of responding to stimuli well before birth. That means that they acquire consciousness before they enter the breathing world. You have also FAILED to provide any reasoning at all why consciousness is integral in defining a human being.





Feel free to insert the word "human."



You aren't a dittohead, are you?

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the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
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kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
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