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Oct 16 2014 07:23pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 16 2014 09:06pm)
It's supposed to disenfranchise significant portions of the state population. They're called illegal aliens. They don't ACTUALLY have a franchise to be disenfranchised in the first place, but that's just semantics.


It's not, though. It's supposed to disenfranchise Democratic-leaning constituencies. We have the data in many of the states who passed these laws to know that.

Illegal aliens aren't systematically voting in our elections. That's merely a fantasy that's being offered by the same people who pass the laws and who can't reliably compete in elections so long as the previously-mentioned Democratic constituencies are allowed to exercise their right to vote. It's entirely possible to remove the admittedly few cases of illegal voting by pursuing other reforms, not this sham.

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Quote (Mangix @ Oct 16 2014 11:09am)
Passed here in NC

an id is provided free by the state at any dmv

3 years notice before the need for it goes into effect.

Liberals lost their fucking minds over it
even if it nothing else happens, jesus it was worth it for the /popcorn


This is a good model.
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Quote (Pollster @ Oct 16 2014 08:23pm)
It's not, though. It's supposed to disenfranchise Democratic-leaning constituencies. We have the data in many of the states who passed these laws to know that.

Illegal aliens aren't systematically voting in our elections. That's merely a fantasy that's being offered by the same people who pass the laws and who can't reliably compete in elections so long as the previously-mentioned Democratic constituencies are allowed to exercise their right to vote. It's entirely possible to remove the admittedly few cases of illegal voting by pursuing other reforms, not this sham.


Who the fuck do you think illegals vote for? You have data showing increased turnout, including Democrat-leaning constituencies.

You can take your outright lying somewhere where they'll believe it. As Bill O'Reilly is so fond of saying (does he still say this?); this is a no spin zone.
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Oct 16 2014 08:12pm
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Who the fuck do you think illegals vote for? You have data showing increased turnout, including Democrat-leaning constituencies.

You can take your outright lying somewhere where they'll believe it. As Bill O'Reilly is so fond of saying (does he still say this?); this is a no spin zone.


Illegals don't vote for anybody.

Voter fraud isn't a problem. It just doesn't happen.

We've had some voter registration shenanigans but not any voter fraud. Again, illegals are not voting.

/e aside from Florida 2000 presidential election.

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Illegals don't vote for anybody.

Voter fraud isn't a problem.  It just doesn't happen.

We've had some voter registration shenanigans but not any voter fraud.  Again, illegals are not voting.


Tell that to Bob Dornan.

Tell that to the citizens of MN.
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Oct 16 2014 08:19pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 16 2014 09:15pm)
Tell that to Bob Dornan.

Tell that to the citizens of MN.


looked that up

looks like it's prisoners

not mexicans
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Tell that to Bob Dornan.

Tell that to the citizens of MN.


Talking about Dornan's voter suppression? Putting signs up in Spanish that immigration officials would be harassing Latino voters at the polls isn't fraud, it is just evil and ought to be illegal.

As for MN...I suppose alien voters would explain Michelle Bachmann's success but we are talking about Mexicans and not actual aliens.

There is no actual voter fraud going on in the US.

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Talking about Dornan's voter suppression?  Putting signs up in Spanish that immigration officials would be harassing Latino voters isn't fraud, it is just evil and ought to be illegal.

As for MN...I suppose alien voters would explain Michelle Bachmann's success but we are talking about Mexicans and not actual aliens.

There is no actual voter fraud going on in the US.


http://wc.arizona.edu/papers/91/108/04_2_m.html

40000 more ballots cast than voters, 6000 votes cast by people with no verifiable address, 1000 felons, etc.
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http://wc.arizona.edu/papers/91/108/04_2_m.html

40000 more ballots cast than voters, 6000 votes cast by people with no verifiable address, 1000 felons, etc.


Lol where is that link from?

Sounds like more dirty tactics. Even if the amount of fraudulent ballots in that elections were as high as in the hundreds as alleged, it wouldn't have affected the election.

Also, election was twenty years ago, and was regarding Hispanic voters in California. The GOP didn't give a shit about voter ID until blacks started voting recently, so I can't really see how some old racist losing an election in a district that became heavily Hispanic after redistricting is relevant.

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Oct 16 2014 08:26pm
If you don't possess the requisite intelligence to acquire a free ID you probably shouldn't vote.
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