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Oct 1 2013 12:28pm
Quote (Ylem122 @ Oct 1 2013 12:41pm)
What? i havnt posted in this thread once, with this being my first post.

Find where ever you got that quote, read the post i quoted, and there's your answer.


huh? yes, you did, post #34.


i had said
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 9 2013 09:42pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UZeR3yV_Z8

theres more to it as well, such as how the church came to be anti-semitic, but the main point of it is that he uses passages from the new testament to show that not only was jesus jewish, but he was a religious jew and never himself told his followers to be anything other than that. it was only paul who came along later and did away with the 'jewish' aspects in order to proselytize non-jews who would be too keen on circumcision and other commandments. according to that, most of modern christianity contradicts the actual teachings of jesus, instead being based upon pauls teachings in the name of jesus.  the jews for jesus would be the closest thing to what the original followers of jesus were, although their beliefs have been influenced and muddled by 2000 years of paulinian christianity.


and you quoted that and said

Quote (Ylem122 @ Sep 24 2013 11:52pm)
I thought the old testament was an eye for and eye?

this seems to directly oppose much of what jesus taught.


so i asked what in what i said that you quoted opposed what jesus taught. i think i just got it, though, you werent actually referencing anything in my quote, you just meant that an eye for an eye contradicts what jesus taught. the answer to that is that jesus did have some idealogical differences, such as that, but eye for an eye is not a commandment per se. jesus still never said not to follow the commandments.
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Oct 1 2013 01:19pm
Quote (Immortal0 @ Oct 1 2013 12:11pm)
Jesus Christ is the creator of Christianity.
The Bible was written by God, so says the Bible.
Jesus Christ is God in human form, as stated by the Bible.
If these facts are true, and there is no evidence to suggest they are not in accordance with the context, then Jesus Christ is the mind behind Satan.
The truth is obviously not as black and white.

Jesus Christ never existed, nor Satan in the physical sense.
This is historically and evidently supported.
Jesus Christ and Satan are characters of representation of morality and amorality.
They are from a book of teachings to guide the minds in a sense.
The Bible is a compilation of great ancient minds over time, and then reworked as times changed. Even today, the Bible is edited by unrecognized authors all around the world.
There is no original Bible in existence, not even the oldest Bible still existent in the vault located in the Vatican City.


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Al Gore is not the creator and inventor of the Internet.


wait, are you or are you not arguing that jesus created satan and existed because the bible says so? if so, thats circular logic, which is no proof at all...


Quote (Brian_D @ Oct 1 2013 12:13pm)
nope, not interesting.


do you even lift ... up a finger and click to watch?
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Oct 1 2013 02:00pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 1 2013 02:28pm)
so i asked what in what i said that you quoted opposed what jesus taught.  i think i just got it, though, you werent actually referencing anything in my quote, you just meant that an eye for an eye contradicts what jesus taught.  the answer to that is that jesus did have some idealogical differences, such as that, but eye for an eye is not a commandment per se.  jesus still never said not to follow the commandments.


ah, so i did, my appologies.

"but he was a religious jew and never himself told his followers to be anything other than that."

Exodus 21:24-25

24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Mathew 5:38-39

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

the ten commandments in so many words are repeated through out the new testament, and for the most part the new testament is fair game.

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Oct 2 2013 03:46pm
Quote (Ylem122 @ Oct 1 2013 03:00pm)
ah, so i did, my appologies.

"but he was a religious jew and never himself told his followers to be anything other than that."

Exodus 21:24-25

24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Mathew 5:38-39

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

the ten commandments in so many words are repeated through out the new testament, and for the most part the new testament is fair game.



ill give you that he bent things a bit, but he never came out and said explicitly not to follow the commandments, but did say many times that you should. also, eye for an eye is more of a concept than an actual commandment.

this also applies to what icemage referenced in matthew 15 and mark 7, where jesus says that its not what goes into the mouth that defiles, but rather what comes out of it. jesus never says, though, that its ok to eat sehllfish and pork. mark (or paul) assumes that from what he said. if you look at the context, though, and keep in mind that jesus repeatedly spoke out against hypocrisy of making a show of doing things without true belief behind it, it becomes clear that thats really all he is doing here. indeed, he even says this sentiment explicitly:

"6He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’b
8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”"

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Oct 2 2013 03:58pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 1 2013 03:19pm)
wait, are you or are you not arguing that jesus created satan and existed because the bible says so?    if so, thats circular logic, which is no proof at all...




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Circular logic. You say that like you understand what it means.

I want to inform you there is no such thing as non-circular logic. You know what they call non-circular logic? Nonsense.
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Oct 2 2013 04:22pm
The Hell & ty God Jesus was a so awesome beaker and fisherman, sharing the stuff and taking care of others instead of arguing on the Book like no tomorrow
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Oct 2 2013 04:27pm
Quote (Immortal0 @ Oct 2 2013 04:58pm)
Circular logic. You say that like you understand what it means.

I want to inform you there is no such thing as non-circular logic. You know what they call non-circular logic? Nonsense.


orly?

false.


Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Oct 2 2013 05:22pm)
The Hell & ty God Jesus was a so awesome beaker and fisherman, sharing the stuff and taking care of others instead of arguing on the Book like no tomorrow


jesus was a beaker? what size? 500 ml? 1000 ml?
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Quote (ReturnFormer @ 2 Oct 2013 23:27)
jesus was a beaker?  what size?  500 ml?  1000 ml?


The Hell & ty God Jesus was a so awesome baker and fisherman, sharing the stuff and taking care of others instead of arguing on the Book like a retard

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Oct 2 2013 08:44pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Oct 2 2013 06:56pm)
The Hell & ty God Jesus was a so awesome baker and fisherman, sharing the stuff and taking care of others instead of arguing on the Book like a retard


wow, lighten up, it was a joke. sheesh...


jesus would not approve of your post, either.
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Oct 2 2013 09:37pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 2 2013 05:46pm)
ill give you that he bent things a bit, but he never came out and said explicitly not to follow the commandments, but did say many times that you should. also, eye for an eye is more of a concept than an actual commandment.

this also applies to what icemage referenced in matthew 15 and mark 7, where jesus says that its not what goes into the mouth that defiles, but rather what comes out of it. jesus never says, though, that its ok to eat sehllfish and pork. mark (or paul) assumes that from what he said. if you look at the context, though, and keep in mind that jesus repeatedly spoke out against hypocrisy of making a show of doing things without true belief behind it, it becomes clear that thats really all he is doing here. indeed, he even says this sentiment explicitly:

"6He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’b
8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”"


eye for an eye is an aspect of judasim, it is not an aspect of christianity. Christianity is not judaisim, it is refined, and pacafist. it is not a set of laws, but a way to approach things.


there are people that do some very un christian things and call them self christians, that is not what im talking about. if you want to say that a large portion of christians dont follow chirists teachings, thats fine, but you seem to claim christianity = judeaisim, that is wrong, they are diffrent teachiings.

Do on to otheres as you would have them do to you vs do onto others as they have done onto you.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 2 2013 09:44pm
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