Quote (LordTrogdor @ May 18 2013 07:28pm)

This is true we are, but I believe it takes more than just faith to get into heaven... as I would hope you do as well?

So then by that belief you do not think Jews, Muslims, atheists, or other non-christian faiths get in to heaven?

Quote (LordTrogdor @ 18 May 2013 19:26)

the churches stance on abortion, and birth control I find to be outdated and silly... then there is a lot of the "traditions" that I was raised with, meat on Fridays and stuff like that.. the premise just isn't the same as it was back then...

then again most of the main points I believe in, venial vs mortal sins, forgiveness, body and blood..... I also believe that anyone can get into heaven (including atheists) as long as they have lived a christian life (yes christian with a lower case "c").

Quote (simpleforce @ May 18 2013 10:12pm)

faith without action is dead



Thats a biblical quote. So don't let the Church tell you all you need is faith. Read the Bible for yourself.

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James 2:14-26
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.
16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]?
21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.
24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 18 2013 11:38pm)

...I believe that no one can attain salvation outside of Jesus Christ .

Quote (El Shadday @ May 19 2013 01:17am)

you are exactly right!!
the law of love says it all. all have the same opportunities of salvation regardless of religious belief.
the archaic concepts prevalent in some dogmatic religions are losing direction over the years.

Quote (bentherdonethat @ May 19 2013 03:45am)

It's a biblical quote, but it lacks contextual understanding. James was saying that a man's faith will be displayed through the works that they do. Someone that says "I have faith" but doesn't actually follow through with the actions that the faith would necessarily elicit is actually someone who is not truly faithful. So in essence, all you do need is faith. But when your faith is true, you will necessarily act differently, and your faith will inspire you to perform these works.

Quote (LordTrogdor @ May 19 2013 12:33am)

So what about all the followers before Jesus? Moses/Abraham etc....

I just can't accept that the most gracious.... forgiving... loving thing in the world would turn away some of the kindest most loving people in the world.... and by that logic accept some of the biggest bigots/assholes/most judgmental people on the planet.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 19 2013 08:15pm)

...the Transfiguration of Jesus offers strong evidence that both Moses and Elijah are saved but it is through the eventual sacrifice at Calvary that they would finally enter Heaven .

...as for not accepting Gods justice that is not our option . He is not subject to our opinions or judgments .

...I noticed in another thread you surmised I was a Catholic but I am in fact a Protestant .