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#41
May 13 2013 12:00pm
Quote (aliquis @ May 13 2013 01:57pm)
I am no one's son, and not your child. Second, I'm not interpreting scripture for you, I'm pointing out that there are regional differences in the way scripture is taken which you apparently aren't aware of. I'm sorry if that upsets you.


...doesn't upset me at all but just from the little bit you have posted it is clear to me that you don't have the first clue as to accurate Biblical interpretation .
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#42
May 13 2013 12:01pm
Quote (dajusta @ May 13 2013 01:50pm)
The emperor is Caesar.  It is a title.  Before him was Caesar Augustus.  After him was Tiberius.  So not sure how you could ever assert the notion that Pontius Pilate had no Emperor to answer to.

All historic evidence does NOT point to Pilate being the "run of the mill provincial administrator who wouldn't have listened to the crowds", the guy was supposed to be a peace-keeping governor as understood in structure Alexander the Great as setup by being nice to the Jews, relieving them of taxes, and putting a half Jew in leadership (Herod).  If the region was destabalized due to rioting, the governor would be responsible.  Just read history man.

In order to keep the peace, the Roman officials were very pleased with the Pharisees, because they also kept people in check.  Pharisees received favor from Romans, and that was their method of peace.  Pharisees wanted Jesus crucified - and that's what happened.


The emperor is Tiberius. Given there is a multitude of emperors, when you say Caesar, you refer to Augustus or Julius Caesar. The emperors adopted Caesar was a cognomen (Basically a nickname that got passed down) because of the popularity of the Julius and Augustus.

You're completely ignorant of Roman history. The Romans could care less about the uneducated, poor masses who are referred to as convincing the Pontius Pilate in the gospels. The Roman merchants who sold their goods in the province, the rich Jews who paid taxes, those with money they cared about. The Romans viewed all Jewish religious figures, including Jesus with contempt as if they were "barbarians". Look at the Roman treatment of Jews after they started to exercise independence. They crushed the Jews and dispersed them across Europe, the middle east and Northern Africa. The Romans are responsible for crucifying Jesus, but the Roman citizens who wrote the Gospels that spoke of Jesus would have wanted to blame someone else other than their nationality.
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#43
May 13 2013 12:02pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 13 2013 12:00pm)
...doesn't upset me at all but just from the little bit you have posted it is clear to me that you don't have the first clue as to accurate Biblical interpretation .


I haven't said a word about my interpretation.
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#44
May 13 2013 12:05pm
Quote (aliquis @ May 13 2013 02:02pm)
I haven't said a word about my interpretation.


...excellent , make sure when you do you don't post it in my direction because anyone who tries to use " regional differences " as an excuse for sloppy and incorrect translation has no standing .



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May 13 2013 12:09pm
Quote (Caedus @ May 13 2013 11:01am)
The emperor is Tiberius. Given there is a multitude of emperors, when you say Caesar, you refer to Augustus or Julius Caesar. The emperors adopted Caesar was a cognomen (Basically a nickname that got passed down) because of the popularity of the Julius and Augustus.

You're completely ignorant of Roman history. The Romans could care less about the uneducated, poor masses who are referred to as convincing the Pontius Pilate in the gospels. The Roman merchants who sold their goods in the province, the rich Jews who paid taxes, those with money they cared about. The Romans viewed all Jewish religious figures, including Jesus with contempt as if they were "barbarians". Look at the Roman treatment of Jews after they started to exercise independence. They crushed the Jews and dispersed them across Europe, the middle east and Northern Africa. The Romans are responsible for crucifying Jesus, but the Roman citizens who wrote the Gospels that spoke of Jesus would have wanted to blame someone else other than their nationality.


Explain how Herod came to power if he was half Jew then.
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May 13 2013 12:10pm
Quote (dajusta @ May 13 2013 01:09pm)
Explain how Herod came to power if he was half Jew then.


He did:

Quote (Caedus @ May 13 2013 01:01pm)
The emperor is Tiberius. Given there is a multitude of emperors, when you say Caesar, you refer to Augustus or Julius Caesar. The emperors adopted Caesar was a cognomen (Basically a nickname that got passed down) because of the popularity of the Julius and Augustus.

You're completely ignorant of Roman history. The Romans could care less about the uneducated, poor masses who are referred to as convincing the Pontius Pilate in the gospels. The Roman merchants who sold their goods in the province, the rich Jews who paid taxes, those with money they cared about. The Romans viewed all Jewish religious figures, including Jesus with contempt as if they were "barbarians". Look at the Roman treatment of Jews after they started to exercise independence. They crushed the Jews and dispersed them across Europe, the middle east and Northern Africa. The Romans are responsible for crucifying Jesus, but the Roman citizens who wrote the Gospels that spoke of Jesus would have wanted to blame someone else other than their nationality.


You could assimilate and become Roman.

His post was quite thorough.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 13 2013 12:10pm
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May 13 2013 12:11pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 13 2013 12:05pm)
...excellent , make sure when you do you don't post it in my direction because anyone who tries to use " regional differences " as an excuse for sloppy and incorrect translation has no standing .



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I will correct your ignorance as I see fit.
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#48
May 13 2013 12:12pm
Quote (Skinned @ May 13 2013 11:10am)
He did:



You could assimilate and become Roman.


It was a very political move to make someone Jewish a ruler of their own people.

He's not contending my claim that Pontius Pilate cared about the riots in his prefecture, OR even the fact that Pontius Pilate had an emperor to answer to. I used the term Caesar because the guy was called Tiberius Caesar.
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#49
May 13 2013 12:14pm
Quote (aliquis @ May 13 2013 01:11pm)
I will correct your ignorance as I see fit.


tip of an iceberg!
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#50
May 13 2013 12:18pm
Quote (aliquis @ May 13 2013 02:11pm)
I will correct your ignorance as I see fit.


...no child , you will make posts not corrections and you will be almost guaranteed to be incorrect . Fortunately for you I will not argue interpretations .
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