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Nov 9 2012 02:46pm
Quote (Eti_fr @ Nov 9 2012 01:23pm)
"If you don't check the truth for yourself, you will never know for sure whether it was the truth or not. Why risk it when the truth says it will free you? Everyone is calling out for freedom but no one wants to put in the work. Only you can save yourself and you start by checking what is truth and what is not truth." Eleanor Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJW-aocSxa0


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Nov 9 2012 03:13pm
Quote (Eti_fr @ 9 Nov 2012 16:11)
There is no such thing as "shame"... I am not ashamed of anything, I do not regret anything, I do not judge anyone...
You do not understand a single word I write :
"I will not debate about the result of 2+2 in this thread, you are free to open your own thread (and pm me link) if you want, I will be happy to answer your question there.
Anything that is not a constructive post to help people learn the truth will be considered as free bump, I will not answer these posts anymore on this thread.
If you have any question, pm me, I always make sure I have room in my pm box... and answer as soon as I have time."

You are so sure of your beliefs that you do not question yourself.
Think about it one more time : what is it that is listening to your thoughts ? It is not your mind, you are more than your mind... Just try to open your mind and listen to your 5 senses.
I will pray hoping that you will understand you are more than your mind some day.


There is definitely such a thing as shame, and your actions are a shame. :(

I question myself all the time. I am aware that I am more than my mind. But I have read a lot more of your book than you have of either of mine, which is why I understand that your book is shit, and you don't. :(

I know that you don't want to debate, but that's just because your stupid fucking book is indefensible. :(
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Nov 9 2012 03:15pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Nov 9 2012 12:54pm)
It's a shame that I made it obvious that your last quote is absolute and utter bullshit that blames the victim, and all you can do is spew out another quote.

This is a good one, at least.  I hope people use it to realize that the book you're pimping is a pile of regurgitated shit that is vile, poisonous and which only occasionally gets anywhere near the truth.


The reason we don't like the book isn't the authors horrible writing, or the lacking arguments presented by Eti_fr. The real problem is Eti_fr hasn't imagined hard enough to make us like it.

Eti_fr: stop wasting your time with posting it here, and just sit in a closet and imagine really hard and we will like it!

This post was edited by Azrad on Nov 9 2012 03:15pm
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Nov 9 2012 03:16pm
Quote (Azrad @ 9 Nov 2012 16:15)
The reason we don't like the book isn't the authors horrible writing, or the lacking arguments presented by Eti_fr. The real problem is Eti_fr
hasn't imagined hard enough to make us like it.
Eti_fr: stop wasting your time with posting it here, and just sit in a closet and imagine really hard and we will like it!


LMFAO

It's true! Why hasn't he imagined a reality where we all read this book and enjoy the hell out of it and start following it?

All he has to do is, like, visualize it!
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Nov 9 2012 03:17pm
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All he has to do is, like, visualize it!

Why look both ways when you cross the street, wouldn't it be safer to just imagine the cars away?
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Nov 9 2012 03:19pm
Quote (Azrad @ 9 Nov 2012 16:17)
Why look both ways when you cross the street, wouldn't it be safer to just imagine the cars away?


I had to have a long conversation with the power company this morning because I was visualizing the lights being on, but they kept saying something about some kind of "Bill." Whatever that's about!
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Nov 9 2012 03:22pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Nov 9 2012 02:16pm)
LMFAO

It's true!  Why hasn't he imagined a reality where we all read this book and enjoy the hell out of it and start following it?

All he has to do is, like, visualize it!


Visualize and attack! Visualized and attack!



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Nov 9 2012 03:51pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Nov 9 2012 04:19pm)
I had to have a long conversation with the power company this morning because I was visualizing the lights being on, but they kept saying something about some kind of "Bill."  Whatever that's about!


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Nov 9 2012 05:09pm
Thanks for free bumps.

Quotes from Morpheus on the Matrix movie :

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."
"The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind."

Now The allegory of the cave by Socrates quoted from wikipedia :

Inside the cave
In Plato's fictional dialogue, Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their legs (but not arms) held in place, but their necks are also fixed, so they are compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which people walk carrying things on their heads "including figures of men and animals made of wood, stone and other materials". The prisoners cannot see the raised walkway or the people walking, but they watch the shadows cast by the men, not knowing they are shadows. There are also echoes off the wall from the noise produced from the walkway.
Socrates suggests the prisoners would take the shadows to be real things and the echoes to be real sounds created by the shadows, not just reflections of reality, since they are all they had ever seen or heard. They would praise as clever, whoever could best guess which shadow would come next, as someone who understood the nature of the world, and the whole of their society would depend on the shadows on the wall.

Release from the cave
Socrates then supposes that a prisoner is freed and permitted to stand up. If someone were to show him the things that had cast the shadows, he would not recognize them for what they were and could not name them; he would believe the shadows on the wall to be more real than what he sees.
"Suppose further," Socrates says, "that the man was compelled to look at the fire: wouldn't he be struck blind and try to turn his gaze back toward the shadows, as toward what he can see clearly and hold to be real? What if someone forcibly dragged such a man upward, out of the cave: wouldn't the man be angry at the one doing this to him? And if dragged all the way out into the sunlight, wouldn't he be distressed and unable to see "even one of the things now said to be true" because he was blinded by the light?
After some time on the surface, however, the freed prisoner would acclimate. He would see more and more things around him, until he could look upon the Sun. He would understand that the Sun is the "source of the seasons and the years, and is the steward of all things in the visible place, and is in a certain way the cause of all those things he and his companions had been seeing" (516b–c). (See also Plato's metaphor of the Sun, which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI)

Return to the cave
Socrates next asks Glaucon to consider the condition of this man. "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead them up, wouldn't they kill him?" (517a) The prisoners, ignorant of the world behind them, would see the freed man with his corrupted eyes and be afraid of anything but what they already know. Philosophers analyzing the allegory argue that the prisoners would ironically find the freed man stupid due to the current state of his eyes and temporarily not being able to see the shadows which are the world to the prisoners.
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Nov 9 2012 05:14pm
The Matrix and Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

Jesus Christ, talk about some pedestrian Philosophy 101 bullshit.
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