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Jul 20 2012 01:46pm
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Republican politicians may or may not be more radical than the Democratic, but Democratic VOTERS in general are far more extremist in ideology


I've been wondering that. Most people I know are democrats or at least liberal. Some of them absolutely refuse to have anything to do with republicans. I'm not sure if this is because I don't know enough republicans/conservatives or if it's because democrats really are that extreme. Or maybe both.
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Jul 20 2012 01:54pm
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I've been wondering that. Most people I know are democrats or at least liberal. Some of them absolutely refuse to have anything to do with republicans. I'm not sure if this is because I don't know enough republicans/conservatives or if it's because democrats really are that extreme. Or maybe both.


It could be that they would be liberal republicans but the liberals were chased out of the party many years ago.

You have to keep in mind that Nixon was a proponent of national healthcare, Eisenhower could have ditched social security but wisely did not. Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, the greatest two Republicans, both liberal Republicans.

Maybe your friends are resentful because people like them are rejected by the ideology that is moving farther and farther to the right.
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Jul 20 2012 01:56pm
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It could be that they would be liberal republicans but the liberals were chased out of the party many years ago.

You have to keep in mind that Nixon was a proponent of national healthcare, Eisenhower could have ditched social security but wisely did not.  Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, the greatest two Republicans, both liberal Republicans.

Maybe your friends are resentful because people like them are rejected by the ideology that is moving farther and farther to the right.


Don't see what is liberal about democrats, they don't even follow liberal principles like limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, individual liberties, and free markets.
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Jul 20 2012 01:57pm
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After having watched the Republicans compromise their principles with Democrat extremism for the last 40 years, it's time for them to compromise in our direction.


We don't compromise with terrorists.
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Jul 20 2012 01:59pm
I remember when the Democrats brought us a little thing called the War in Vietnam . The difference of course is that the Republicans didn't run around for the next decade crying LBeffingJ . B)
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Jul 20 2012 02:05pm
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Don't see what is liberal about democrats, they don't even follow liberal principles like limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, individual liberties, and free markets.


The definition you use is from the time when conservative meant being loyal to a monarch.

As far as I know we still have a representative government and civil rights. Taxes are lower than ever. We're still governed by the rule of law, freedom of expression is safe (ask Westboro). Unless you think that a terrorist in Yemen being killed is the loss of all of our freedoms...lol.

Really pay attention, its been like two hundred years.

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The definition you use is from the time when conservative meant being loyal to a monarch.

As far as I know we still have a representative government and civil rights.  Taxes are lower than ever.  Unless you think that a terrorist in Yemen being killed is the loss of all of our freedoms...lol.

Really pay attention, its been like two hundred years.


So you meant to say Progressives or even Leftists and you admittedly misused the term liberal to gain emotional appeal instead you have defiled a term that has meant so much more in the past.


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I thought he was referencing the principles of the classical liberal founding fathers of America, which wouldn't be referring to a monarchy.


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The definition you use is from the time when conservative meant being loyal to a monarch.

As far as I know we still have a representative government and civil rights.  Taxes are lower than ever.  We're still governed by the rule of law, freedom of expression is safe (ask Westboro).  Unless you think that a terrorist in Yemen being killed is the loss of all of our freedoms...lol.

Really pay attention, its been like two hundred years.


I thought he was referencing the principles of the classical liberal founding fathers of America, which wouldn't be referring to a monarchy.

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So you meant to say Progressives or even Leftists and you admittedly misused the term liberal to gain emotional appeal instead you have defiled a term that has meant so much more in the past.


Liberal denoted progressive thinking and that was what I meant. The Republican party ran all of the progressive liberal types out. It wasn't emotional appeal...maybe the word liberal makes you emotional but not myself.

"liberal" being an emotion trigger-word is revealing killgore.

Nice non-argument :)

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Liberal denoted progressive thinking and that was what I meant.  The Republican party ran all of the progressive liberal types out.  It wasn't emotional appeal...maybe the word liberal makes you emotional but not myself.

Nice non-argument :)


Nothing liberal about them, they don't even support free markets!
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