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May 23 2011 09:38am
Quote (DViolent @ 23 May 2011 10:30)
so noah put ever single animal alive, exept dino's, on his boat.


http://www.worldstory.net/en/species.html


idontcare how big your boat is, and all that. the sheer number of animals is not gonna happen.

and + the fact that there were seven of each "clean" animal instead of just 2, makes it even less likely.

the numbers get bigger and bigger... add all them up, *other then the fish* multiply by 2 (even tho some where brought on by the sevens) and what do you got? 62,000 animals. on one boat. ya thats realistic and logical.


He is stating this could have been when they died out, not that this is when they died out. The account also states it was only land dwelling creatures that were brought aboard, not fish or water dwelling creatures.

The catastrophic geological theory makes even less sense that it would wipe out most all reptiles/dinosaurs, but not mammals, etc. Especially given that again, there were water dwelling dinosaurs that should have been able to survive where their land dwelling relatives did not. Every explanation requires a degree of belief.
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May 23 2011 09:40am
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He is stating this could have been when they died out, not that this is when they died out. The account also states it was only land dwelling creatures that were brought aboard, not fish or water dwelling creatures.

The catastrophic geological theory makes even less sense that it would wipe out most all reptiles/dinosaurs, but not mammals, etc. Especially given that again, there were water dwelling dinosaurs that should have been able to survive where their land dwelling relatives did not. Every explanation requires a degree of belief.


for someone saying people need to read first you sure didnt.

clearly i put *other then the fish
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May 23 2011 09:42am
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He is stating this could have been when they died out, not that this is when they died out. The account also states it was only land dwelling creatures that were brought aboard, not fish or water dwelling creatures.

The catastrophic geological theory makes even less sense that it would wipe out most all reptiles/dinosaurs, but not mammals, etc. Especially given that again, there were water dwelling dinosaurs that should have been able to survive where their land dwelling relatives did not. Every explanation requires a degree of belief.




The Ark of Noah was a barge-like structure probably built of cypress or cedar ("gopherwood"). It was about 450 feet long by 75 feet in beam, and 45 feet high. Such a boat would displace 20,000 tons and have a gross tonnage of 14,000 tons. There were three decks, one door (in the side) and a window 18 inches high probably running around the top of the vessel under the roof. The ark was caulked "within and without" with pitch (Hebrew: kopher = "to cover,"---translated "atonement" elsewhere in the Old Testament).

The capacity of the ark was about 522 railroad cars, (1.4 million cubic feet). Only 188 railroad cars would be required to hold a pair of each of the 17,600 species of animals presently known to man, according to Dr. John Morris of the Institute of Creation Research. (This number of cars includes food supplies for a year's subsistence). From this we can assume that many perhaps as many as two-third of the species originally created by God are already extinct.
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May 23 2011 09:44am
Quote (DViolent @ 23 May 2011 10:40)
for someone saying people need to read first you sure didnt.

clearly i put *other then the fish


The original quote included many more than that. To clarify further, we have passenger ships that have capacities of over 6000 people. These are pretty luxurious boats that have ample room for all passengers to enjoy themselves without feeling crowded. Many creatures are much smaller than humans, and most could be assumed to require much less space. A boat to house only 62k things really isn't all that ridiculous sounding, when you consider that it's really not that much. For instance, most birds are relatively small, and you could fit thousands into a single small room.

You have ignored everything else on this topic. Your original ignorant quote of:
Quote (DViolent @ 23 May 2011 08:13)
in other words,
Dont ask questions that have points that cant be proven by christianity


Has been thoroughly refuted, but you have chosen to ignore the things I posted in regards to it. The one you replied to was someone replying to something I wrote, proposing an alternate theory on where the dinosaurs all went.
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May 23 2011 09:45am
Quote (inkanddagger @ 23 May 2011 08:30)
orly?

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/22/21/10/ostrich-chandelier.jpg


Also look up Aepyornis. They existed until around the 17th century (thanks to us humans) and were about 10x larger than a modern ostrich.

Here's a youth:

http://www.boneclones.com/images/sc-241-lg.jpg


:rofl:
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May 23 2011 09:48am
Quote (njaguar @ May 23 2011 06:31am)
Would love to see your proof. It's great that you believe these things to be so, and you have every right to do so. I already outlined one potential flaw, which knowing your background in the PaRD, there is little chance you read (let alone understood) it.

Don't be mad because Christianity can explain these things. I know that really ruffles your feathers.


it doesn't explain it using any type of scientific reason or logic, it pretty much just says "This is how it is". that's not explaining anything.
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May 23 2011 09:50am
Quote (majorblood @ 23 May 2011 10:48)
it doesn't explain it using any type of scientific reason or logic, it pretty much just says "This is how it is". that's not explaining anything.


What language are you using? It fits every definition of the term explanation. Just because you choose to use a different metric to come to an explanation does not necessarily mean another explanation is less valid. Neither is empirical, and both require belief.

inkanddagger: Regarding the image, I agree, the image was not necessarily the best choice for the example, especially considering Egyptians did mostly use scale in their art, but they are not considered "ancient" either. You can find out of scale art within their culture, however, and the point remains regarding scale.
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May 23 2011 09:50am
Quote (majorblood @ May 23 2011 11:48am)
it doesn't explain it using any type of scientific reason or logic, it pretty much just says "This is how it is". that's not explaining anything.


Science is progressing toward a truth while* religion is moving backwards.

This post was edited by VxDoomxV on May 23 2011 09:51am
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Quote (majorblood @ 23 May 2011 08:48)
it doesn't explain it using any type of scientific reason or logic, it pretty much just says "This is how it is". that's not explaining anything.


he is explaining their belief works unlike formal logic
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May 23 2011 09:51am
Quote (njaguar @ May 23 2011 06:41am)
Not sure what you're saying with the first quote, but the second is also suspect, because estimates range from that range (and less) to as much as 6 million years old for humans. That's a pretty damn big range. That's like saying "yeah, you need 100lbs of sugar in your cake, give or take 99lbs."

And the last, perhaps you should learn how the dating techniques work, and more specifically, the process by which the dating takes place. Not to mention how the periods of time were defined (see: earth stratus). These "time periods" were defined before we had dating techniques, which were then base-lined to these pre-existing time estimates. Circular logic ftw!

I have never heard of humans[homo-sapiens] being around for 6 million years, can you point this out?

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