and this isn't conspiracy >.< money = power
also with peak oil occuring, we'll need a bailout. whether or not it's what i've said we'll need something.
have any ideas, paul?

This post was edited by MewKitten on Apr 26 2011 09:42pm

over $150 billion has been spent to subsidize oil since about 1970. It's nuts. It's no wonder other energy isn't able to compete. And yet...they don't channel that money to subsidize technologies that could actually prove to replace or at least reduce our foreign dependence on oil. Very interesting indeed.

However, if anyone thinks ethanol is actually efficient...they are crazy. > CO2 output to process ethanol and grow corn than it would be just to burn the gasoline.

It's lobbied for by farmers qq

this is directly coming from the central bank owning everything too >.< money hungry mofos

Exactly... it's kind of naive to think that a viable alternative to oil hasn't been found in the last 100 years. It wouldn't be possible to cover them up if it wasn't for copyrights and patents... unfortunately I don't have a solution to this problem

In all honestly I think the economic collapse will happen this summer...=(
China just dropped $2 trillion USD
then the other couple companies will, making the USD useless

Hopefully I can outrun it. Usually takes a year or two for economic issues to get from US to Canada... and then by then maybe I can run sumwhere else.

1) 2020 is irrelevant to today. Building out panels at todays efficiency is not feasible, per my numbers. Building out a farm of these knowing they won't supply hardly anything is throwing money away, when you're assuming (assume is the key word here) that panels will reach better efficiency by 2020. Here's a clue; they've been saying this for the past 20 years already, but now suddenly in the next 9, they will be there? We'll see.
2) The government also gives huge grants (to the tune of 35% or more) for "green energy" research and development, and installations. It's more in California. Still, no one is jumping to build these en-masse. (Yes, some companies are exploring it and doing small build outs, but only for their buildings as a supplement, not to supply others.)
3) Ink's article is bogus, I already stated why. I will do so again: They assume a 100% energy efficiency of solar panels (laymans terms: the solar panel converts 100% of the suns energy into electricity), which even the most uneducated person on the matter agrees is not possible. It's also not a government article, and the wikipedia links also cite the DoE for their numbers.

At least research this stuff before you hop aboard the conspiracy train. It's not being used because it's not efficient and barely breaks even (cost) over the known life of the solar cells once you factor in installation, maintenance, and all other associated costs (taxes on land where they may reside, etc).

what i dont understand, is everyone on the right wants to start drilling and gettin our own oil production up, and say they want to make things better for "their children and grandchildren" when i dont see how using up a non-renewable resource like coal, and oil.

imo, putting a little extra into solar is the biggest win for my kids, and some day grandkids, because they wont have to worry about, or i should say i wont have to worry bout, the oil running out when i'm gone, because ofc, solar is the best renewable resource.

njaguar you think its fine to keep the way things are going? even if we drill / pump our own oil, TG Boon *think thats his name seen him on the daily show* says it would take least 5-10 years before we see it have an impact on the gas prices here.

to deny that solar is not worth time / investments is just saying that you think we can keep goin off coal (horrible for the enviorment / horrilbe for the coal workers health) when ofc one day they will run out.

if we could get solar panels beefed up just a little bit more, we could build a nice patch in a few spots in deserts and live life knowing at least our country gives a shit bout how we leave this world for the younger generations.

it really irritates me how republicans say all the time "i'm here to make America better for my grandkids" but yet want to keep coal the way it is, and want to use up more non renewable oil. just blows my mind how they can counterdick them selves.

I posted the numbers, to support the entire USA electrical needs requires the space of almost the entire USA to do so with current solar panel technology. That makes no sense, unless of course, you don't want to eat or have homes. But then again, you wouldn't need as much electricity if the population drops (starvation), and there are no houses/buildings. [insert nwo conspiracy here]

I have seen no conclusive proof that we'll run out of fossil fuels in the foreseeable future. Every time they've said this (since the 1970s), we've suddenly happened upon more and more of these resources.

so... your saying go for broke? this idea seems very dangerous to me in many dif ways...

1. we have alotta oil atm, specaily in the US, but we could drain those pretty easily imo.

2. what happens then? when all the oil IS gone? maybe 50 years , maybe 200 but dont you think history would look better at us if they knew we were smart enough to realize that something that wont renew is something to change?

i'm not an expert and dont want to pretend otherwise, but i cant see how putting a few 500 Megawatt dams, a few more wind, and alot more solar would hurt anyone, infact i see it doing the oppisit and creating new jobs, new ideas.

just seems completely beyond me that so many people cannot see whats wrong with oil / coal. even the lead scientist against global warming changed his stance, saying that YES these are hurting our planet, and the longer we keep this going, the worse off we will all be.