Quote (bentherdonethat @ Apr 26 2011 12:03am)

And she was born as a female with male genitalia. She didn't "simply want" to be a girl. She always was one, and that's something you aren't understanding. No one wakes up and decides "Welp, guess I'm going to be a girl from here on out." It's like being having same/opposite sex attractions. You're attracted to what you're attracted to. You don't consciously decide to become attracted to one sex or the other.


That depends. Are you talking about "sex" in the scientific sense or "sex" in the colloquial sense? Scientifically, yes. Your chromosomes define your sex, while your mind defines your gender. Colloquially, no. It's a "mind over matter" thing. And while you're in the process of transitioning from one physical sex to the other (through a process of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) and for some, the actual sex change operation), you live your life as if you've already had the procedure as part of the process. So if she is MTF trans then she is, for all intents and purposes, a female.

Quote (OgreDan @ Apr 26 2011 12:15am)

How does your mind define your gender? That makes no sense. I know girls who think like guys, and guys who think like girls, but they are all straight. Just because you want to think you are something you aren't doesn't make you that thing. Does something thinking they are a butternut squash make them a butternut squash? NO. Point is, you are born a man, or a woman. You can act however you want, but that's what you are born as. Your mind controls your body, and how you think. Thinking differently doesn't make you a girl. It means you think differently. Stop trying to make the matter what it isn't.

Quote (bentherdonethat @ Apr 26 2011 12:31am)

Being a tomboy or a ... tomgirl? is that a word? anyway, being feminine or masculine when you're biologically male or female, respectively, isn't the same as being transgendered. When you're transgendered, you KNOW you are supposed to be the opposite sex just like you KNOW you're supposed to be the sex that you are. Medical science is proving that MTF transgendered people's brains are more similar to cisgendered female brains than they are to cisgendered male brains (and FTM transgendered brains are more similar to cisgendered male brains than they are to cisgendered female brains).

If you want to read a bit more into that last point, see http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html

Quote (OgreDan @ Apr 25 2011 08:32pm)

When you are supposed to be a male, you are born as a male. When you are supposed to be female, you are born as a female. The system worked PRETTY Darn well.

Quote (sylvannos @ Apr 26 2011 12:45am)

Yeah except when you're born with ambiguous genitalia. Then doctors mutilate your genitalia. Then you grow up.

The vast majority of transgender and transsexual people are born with ambiguous genitalia. The community is fighting to outlaw the practice of performing surgery on babies, asking that they be allowed to grow up when they can make the decision for themselves.

And if I recall correctly, doctors didn't even need to notify the parents of children that they had even performed corrective surgery up until the 1970's.

Unfortunately, insurance companies don't offer much for these individuals, since they see it as cosmetic. This means people have to pay out of pocket to have the surgery performed, or go through life stigmatized.

The video posted is the result of society's misunderstanding of people in a very unfortunate position. If anything, we should have unisex bathrooms instead of men/women's bathrooms in public places.

Quote (OgreDan @ Apr 25 2011 08:58pm)

How about not? About the bathrooms that is. I don't think Women are comfortable with strange men around them while they go to the bathroom, etc etc, and I don't think men are either.


As for babies born as transgendered, I did think about them. I DO agree that babies born as transgendered should be able to pick for themselves, but that really is a tricky subject as well. But if you ARE born as a Man, or a Woman, I believe that's what you are.

Quote (Rhamax @ Apr 26 2011 03:41am)

Well because I don't see anything justifying that beat down other than some sort of underlying hatred.

Quote (bentherdonethat @ Apr 26 2011 04:03am)

And she was born as a female with male genitalia. She didn't "simply want" to be a girl. She always was one, and that's something you aren't understanding. No one wakes up and decides "Welp, guess I'm going to be a girl from here on out." It's like being having same/opposite sex attractions. You're attracted to what you're attracted to. You don't consciously decide to become attracted to one sex or the other.


That depends. Are you talking about "sex" in the scientific sense or "sex" in the colloquial sense? Scientifically, yes. Your chromosomes define your sex, while your mind defines your gender. Colloquially, no. It's a "mind over matter" thing. And while you're in the process of transitioning from one physical sex to the other (through a process of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) and for some, the actual sex change operation), you live your life as if you've already had the procedure as part of the process. So if she is MTF trans then she is, for all intents and purposes, a female.

Quote (OgreDan @ Apr 26 2011 04:58am)

How about not? About the bathrooms that is. I don't think Women are comfortable with strange men around them while they go to the bathroom, etc etc, and I don't think men are either.


As for babies born as transgendered, I did think about them. I DO agree that babies born as transgendered should be able to pick for themselves, but that really is a tricky subject as well. But if you ARE born as a Man, or a Woman, I believe that's what you are.

Quote (P_Pepa @ Apr 26 2011 05:08am)

fear of trannys man, i aint gonna lie i would be weirded out and be like yo wtf? get outta here but beat the fuck outa the person? nah thats fucked, hope they go to prison for sure and get sued