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Nov 17 2009 11:37am
Quote (bpfergu @ Nov 18 2009 03:31am)
I absolutely disagree.

Just because I believe in a God that may or may not be true does not endanger me in any way, shape, or form. Just because you don't doesn't make you any less "dangerous" than me.

Please, don't use wars fought over religion as means for stereotyping a whole group of people. I have accomplished more in my life since becoming a Christian than I ever did before due to my ability to overcome depression and having a reason for getting up every morning.


Does not endanger you, no. Try to think of the bigger picture though.
I never stereotyped a group of people, I provided examples as for why blind faith is a dangerous thing as you asked. I'm happy for you that you could overcome depression and that you have made something of yourself.

You're living proof that faith is a source of motivation. Motivation to do what though, is the real question. For you, you can get up in the morning now, that's how it has motivated you. For others, it can motivate them to do bad things.
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Nov 17 2009 11:39am
Quote (Ghidorah @ Nov 18 2009 03:32am)
umm.. science created guns, tanks, and the atomic bomb.. biological weapons.. chemical weapons.... i don't follow a book full of hate mongering scripture also, i'm not a muslim. and, there is no decent evidence to suggest god doesn't exist, so you lose that one too.


You're the one that believes in God, you prove to me that he exists mate. That is one of the worst arguments for the existence of God ever thought up :).

Science created weapons, but do you think we would not be killing eachother if we did not make these weapons? You're only looking at the negative. Science explains much more than your religion ever could, and it has a little thing to back itself up called evidence.
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Nov 17 2009 11:39am
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Does not endanger you, no. Try to think of the bigger picture though.
I never stereotyped a group of people, I provided examples as for why blind faith is a dangerous thing as you asked. I'm happy for you that you could overcome depression and that you have made something of yourself.

You're living proof that faith is a source of motivation. Motivation to do what though, is the real question. For you, you can get up in the morning now, that's how it has motivated you. For others, it can motivate them to do bad things.


Who denied that religion can motivate someone?

(i haven't read the thread)
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Nov 17 2009 11:45am
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Does not endanger you, no. Try to think of the bigger picture though.
I never stereotyped a group of people, I provided examples as for why blind faith is a dangerous thing as you asked. I'm happy for you that you could overcome depression and that you have made something of yourself.

You're living proof that faith is a source of motivation. Motivation to do what though, is the real question. For you, you can get up in the morning now, that's how it has motivated you. For others, it can motivate them to do bad things.


Yes, you correlated religion to war. You can play with the semantics all that you want, but that is what you did.

Yes, some people are stupid. People have and will most likely continue to kill others in the name of their religion. Do I feel that doing so is correct or proper in this day or age? No, I do not.

People have harmed eachother over money, food, and even football games. Should we dub anyone who supports such horrid acts as being "dangerous"? I feel that religion, as a whole, has brought LESS danger into this world. Think of all of the good that comes out of local churches in your hometown. Think of all of the money and food raised through church events. Think of all of the potential criminals that churches have helped get off of the streets. To me, this is what a viable religion is all about: helping others in the name of their God. Sadly not everyone follows this ideal.

I'm motivated to do whatever I can to enhance my life while honoring my God. I think you are placing too much blame on the religion(s) themselves and not on the people actually partaking in the questionable acts.
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I didnt want my edit to get lost.



We're going to get deep here. Are you ready?

There are many different perspectives within Christianity that disagree. You've pinpointed a few that many people, including myself, struggle with...one being predestination, the others being God's qualities (omnipotences, omniscience, etc.).

Does he bring salvation to every intelligent creature in the universe? If the intelligent beings need salvation then the answer is yes. If they aren't a fallen race, like humans, then there isn't a need for salvation. As the reasoning for our existience, I don't think God expects us to understand much further than we are here, like everything He created, to worship him.


Regardless of what your God expects, perhaps it is just me but I'd rather have some hard evidence on something (such as how we got here) than to simply state that god did it. You have not properly answered my previous arguments.
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Nov 17 2009 11:48am
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Regardless of what your God expects, perhaps it is just me but I'd rather have some hard evidence on something (such as how we got here) than to simply state that god did it. You have not properly answered my previous arguments.


That is a question that nobody can answer for you. Arrive at a conclusion that makes you happy and be done with it. That is the ironically convenient thing about religion: you can choose to believe in whatever you want and nobody has enough proof to tell you otherwise (in most cases...I'm sure there are some pretty crazy religions that make no sense whatsoever).
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Nov 17 2009 11:51am
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Yes, you correlated religion to war.  You can play with the semantics all that you want, but that is what you did.

Yes, some people are stupid.  People have and will most likely continue to kill others in the name of their religion.  Do I feel that doing so is correct or proper in this day or age?  No, I do not.

People have harmed eachother over money, food, and even football games.  Should we dub anyone who supports such horrid acts as being "dangerous"?  I feel that religion, as a whole, has brought LESS danger into this world.  Think of all of the good that comes out of local churches in your hometown.  Think of all of the money and food raised through church events.  Think of all of the potential criminals that churches have helped get off of the streets.  To me, this is what a viable religion is all about: helping others in the name of their God.  Sadly not everyone follows this ideal.

I'm motivated to do whatever I can to enhance my life while honoring my God.  I think you are placing too much blame on the religion(s) themselves and not on the people actually partaking in the questionable acts.


I am not playing with semantics. I never stereotyped a group of people apart from my previous comment saying Christians can not be associated with an open mind.

I understand good things come of religion, but the same outcomes could be (and are) achieved through charities, rehabilitation programs, food drives and the like. You do not have to believe in a God to have a sense of morales or to be a good person. And to your previous question regarding dubbing people as dangerous, yes I do believe we should. Currency I do believe is worse for this world than religion.
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Nov 17 2009 11:53am
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That is a question that nobody can answer for you.  Arrive at a conclusion that makes you happy and be done with it.  That is the ironically convenient thing about religion:  you can choose to believe in whatever you want and nobody has enough proof to tell you otherwise (in most cases...I'm sure there are some pretty crazy religions that make no sense whatsoever).


I'm not content with taking the easy way out. There may not be enough evidence for the big bang for it to be certain, but there is definitely more evidence for it than the existence of God. At least make it an educated decision. What is convenient is not always what is best.
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Nov 17 2009 11:53am
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Regardless of what your God expects, perhaps it is just me but I'd rather have some hard evidence on something (such as how we got here) than to simply state that god did it. You have not properly answered my previous arguments.


You want me to prove faith with a scientific method? It isn't possible since the principle of faith is not being able to be proven.

inb4youbelieveinsomethingyourcan'tprove=you'recrazy
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Nov 17 2009 11:53am
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I am not playing with semantics. I never stereotyped a group of people apart from my previous comment saying Christians can not be associated with an open mind.

I understand good things come of religion, but the same outcomes could be (and are) achieved through charities, rehabilitation programs, food drives and the like. You do not have to believe in a God to have a sense of morales or to be a good person. And to your previous question regarding dubbing people as dangerous, yes I do believe we should. Currency I do believe is worse for this world than religion.


I assume you meant to put nothing after believe.

Why do you believe that exactly? I would venture to say religion does far more good for the world than bad.
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