Plenty of stats out there for you to ignore buddy. Firearms are used in homicide more than everything else combined in the US. But SOME PEOPLE like to argue its not the guns fault, its just the paranoid, angry, mentally ill, ready to snap owner.

Ill bet you guys love going hunting with a bow and arrow dont you.

It’s never a guns fault, it’s an inanimate object. People should be accountable for their actions.

A tools job is making things more simple. But when it comes to gun control people like to forget this detail. Im not going to brush my teeth with a firearm and murderers arent going to kill with a toothbrush. Unless theyre in prison. But go off and find me two or three instances of toothbrush homicide we can stack next to the millions of gun fatalities. Or you can try screwing in screws with a mop or something.

Its not the only way to kill. But its the simplest, because thats what it was made for.

Are you for or against armed guards at schools? The 350 million guns won’t disappear overnight. Are you interested in saving lives or pushing an agenda? Most liberals refuse to put an armed guard at a school, and just think that more laws will magically stop criminals.

Isn't it mostly gang violence lol

I've looked at those stats, hence my question. I see a small negative relationship between the number of civilian guns in civilian circulation (per capita) and that country's homicide rate. It's statistically insignificant.

South-East Asia has a very low rate of firearm ownership (1/6th the rate of Western Asia) and yet the homicide rates are very similar. East Asia has a homicide rate similar to most of Europe, and they have far fewer firearms per capita. Australia has nearly 72x more civilian firearms than South Korea, compared to only 1.6x the rate of homicides. What are we missing in the data?

By contrast, the places with very high rates of homicide are also the places you'd intuitively expect. The Caribbean and South America are inundated with gang violence and struggle with law and order. Your odds of getting murdered in Europe increase the further east you go. The mono-ethnic Confucian states in East Asia are less violent than places like the Philippines. Cultural melting pots (e.g. United States and Canada) are more violent than relatively homogenous European nation-states. It doesn't take a genius to understand roughly the root causes of why.

i hunt with a bow

Siegel M, Ross CS, King C 3rd. The relationship between gun ownership and firearm homicide rates in the United States, 1981-2010. Am J Public Health. 2013 Nov;103(11):2098-105. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409. Epub 2013 Sep 12. PMID: 24028252; PMCID: PMC3828709.

"Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%."

This took 12 seconds. The article is freely available. There are other reasons to ban guns from homes, such as accidental fatalities due to guns. See below.
Vaishnav A, Smith GA, Badeti J, Michaels NL. An epidemiological study of unintentional pediatric firearm fatalities in the USA, 2009-2018. Inj Epidemiol. 2023 Jun 26;10(1):25. doi: 10.1186/s40621-023-00438-5. PMID: 37357309; PMCID: PMC10291813.

As well as relationship with DV... Below also cites studies that tell you guns are now the leading cause of child death in the US (as opposed to vehicles, which was suggested earlier in this post). But again, iirc vehicle related child death Vs. gun related child death tends to be a close call and they tend to switch roles every year or so.
Lockwood K, Rowe C, Sager E. Policy Recommendations to Address the Nexus of Domestic Violence and Gun Violence. N C Med J. 2023 Jul;84(4):233-237. doi: 10.18043/001c.81269. PMID: 39302302.




Where have you ever seen anyone argue that the 2nd amendment should be amended (word choice intended) to prevent having to hold people accountable for their actions?
You can decrease the risk of events happening - AND hold the culprits of such events accountable. It's an option.

You argued for armed guards in front of schools. This is done in zero western countries. Is your "potential to deflect a possible detrimental event" with your 2nd amendment, really worth denying that gun prohibition.. simply works, lol?
Carl Sagan has made an argument about how much investment is worth what kind of detrimental event, and used this argument to compare the cold war costs for the US (enough to buy 100% of the materialistic content of the US, and US property outside the US, with exception of the US land itself) with the investment being made to the detrimental event of natural catastrophies due to humanity's influence on the environment. The cold war fear of Russian invasion never happened, but it was argued that one must be prepared for such an event and one must be willing to go to great financial lengths to enable this preparation, for the unlikely event, because of the severity of this unlikely event.
I posted it below, it's an interesting monologue for either side of the political scale.



/e I also personally believe that posting guards will only incite more mass shootings at schools, but I haven't data to back this up and can not be fucked to look it up. That'd be a longer search and argument, and I am not going to write a thesis of how certain barriers to an event actually incite the event. Too much unpaid work ^^

This post was edited by Leeevee on Sep 30 2025 04:22am

That’s not what he asked though.

Siegel M, Ross CS, King C 3rd. The relationship between gun ownership and firearm homicide rates in the United States, 1981-2010. Am J Public Health. 2013 Nov;103(11):2098-105. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409. Epub 2013 Sep 12. PMID: 24028252; PMCID: PMC3828709.

This is literally what he asked. Literally. The fact that you reply with what you did, is a great example of how MAGA handles every criticism: denial and deflection.