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May 7 2025 01:30pm
Comrade Krasnov loves his poorly educated supporters
He said it himself
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May 7 2025 01:35pm
I think that's really a crucial and still underrated point: a collateral effect of the "educational realignment" of politics which took place over the past 10 or so years is that the beliefs of the journalist, media and corporate classes have become increasingly out of step with the beliefs of normies.

This has caused damage to the reputation of the MSM from two angles: first because it led to an increase in the partisan bias of their reporting. And second because it led to MSM articles and opinion pieces increasingly taking the 20% position on 80:20 issues. Imho that's the fundamental reason why Trump was able to break the left's cultural hegemony in 2024 whereas he failed at that in 2016.


Media skepticism doesn't make people smarter or more informed though. It does the opposite. So you can rationalize the skepticism and point to examples as to how the MSM sucks, but the result is mostly just uninformed and/or misinformed idiots.

People who watch CNN and read the NYT/WaPo/WSJ are way more informed than people who get their news from Joe Rogan/twitter/other random sources. And it's not just more information they have, it's more accurate information, as opposed to inaccurate information that the other person has.

The MSM is flawed. Alternative media is way more flawed, and it's not even close.

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May 7 2025 01:48pm
I brought it up because how mild the politics of the fire were or should have been, yet how news worthy (imo) it was and it still got buried for sensationalized partisan gossip. That’s far from the only example and there are numerous others of greater significance.


id enjoy hearing some of these examples, honestly.
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May 7 2025 01:49pm
Also, people who have low trust in institutions are worse citizens. They behave worse than high trust citizens do. You could see this in the 2016 Republican primary... people who attended church every Sunday were more likely to support Cruz, those who were detached from institutions were more likely to support Trump.

You can argue people shouldn't have trust in institutions.. and I would argue that low trust in institutions is ruining our society. We don't just need better institutions(and we do), we need people to believe in them again.
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Also, people who have low trust in institutions are worse citizens. They behave worse than high trust citizens do. You could see this in the 2016 Republican primary... people who attended church every Sunday were more likely to support Cruz, those who were detached from institutions were more likely to support Trump.

You can argue people shouldn't have trust in institutions.. and I would argue that low trust in institutions is ruining our society. We don't just need better institutions(and we do), we need people to believe in them again.


people trusted institutions when they didnt realize how corrupt they were. you had to be a member of some tinfoil news letter just to get the news that the CIA was doing a coup on some country in central america. and if you told people they'd call you nuts.

pandora's box has been opened via the internet, much for the worse, some for the better. the trust will never be restored until institutions become demonstrably better, short of this we're in a mexican standoff. neither side trust many of the institutions at all on a macro scale, they just pick and choose favorites they think are better than the rest.
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May 7 2025 02:23pm
people trusted institutions when they didnt realize how corrupt they were. you had to be a member of some tinfoil news letter just to get the news that the CIA was doing a coup on some country in central america. and if you told people they'd call you nuts.

pandora's box has been opened via the internet, much for the worse, some for the better. the trust will never be restored until institutions become demonstrably better, short of this we're in a mexican standoff. neither side trust many of the institutions at all on a macro scale, they just pick and choose favorites they think are better than the rest.


Institutions are less corrupt today than they were 30 years ago probably... less trust though. The corruption is not the reason for the distrust. And the competence of institutions isn't either, because institutions today are probably more competent than they were 30 years ago.

People should believe in and support institutions. It's something we should teach kids, just like eating vegetables. And adults should support them. Being a constant critic/skeptic is not cool.
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May 7 2025 02:28pm
Institutions are less corrupt today than they were 30 years ago probably... less trust though. The corruption is not the reason for the distrust. And the competence of institutions isn't either, because institutions today are probably more competent than they were 30 years ago.

People should believe in and support institutions. It's something we should teach kids, just like eating vegetables. And adults should support them. Being a constant critic/skeptic is not cool.


i'd agree that neither the level of corruption nor competency are the cause of the mistrust inherently. its the widespread knowledge that corruption and incompetency even exist. they've lost their aura of infallacy.

like imagine a guy who made a SHITLOAD of bad choices as a teen or 20 year old, but kept it hidden, and in his 40s he's a reformed person who doesnt fuck people over. but the story breaks. now people mistrust them, even though they've become better. you can't close that box easily without a LOT of demonstrating you're better. funny enough im thinking of kavanaugh having to answer questions if boofing meant putting drugs in his butt as a teenager, rather than 20 years of his judicial record, he's tainted forever.

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i'd agree that neither the level of corruption nor competency are the cause of the mistrust inherently. its the widespread knowledge that corruption and incompetency even exist. they've lost their aura of infallacy.

like imagine a guy who made a SHITLOAD of bad choices as a teen or 20 year old, but kept it hidden, and in his 40s he's a reformed person who doesnt fuck people over. but the story breaks. now people mistrust them, even though they've become better. you can't close that box easily without a LOT of demonstrating you're better. funny enough im thinking of kavanaugh having to answer questions if boofing meant putting drugs in his butt as a teenager, rather than 20 years of his judicial record, he's tainted forever.


I think rationalizing the mistrust of institutions is part of the problem.

Sure, our institutions mess up. They get things wrong. That's not a good reason to mistrust them inherently. They get most things right.

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We need to get away from this "Trump supporters did this and Democrat supporters did that" lol. There's just no point in generalizing it like every voter on either side has this issue.

Both sides have some pretty stupid people and take things to the extreme.

Yes, we need to fix our illegal immigration status, but do not go around asking every person if they are "legal"

Leave it to the authorities and those in charge of the deportations.

:bonk:

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