Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 15 2024 07:27pm)
You said violence is obviously sometimes the answer. Green mario over here said the parasites had it coming. Who decides when violence is the answer? because;
Its more than a matter of perspective of one person, its a matter of perspective of societies and the world at large. Sovereignty and international recognition of legitimacy. A government, whether elected or monarchal or a military junta can represent a sovereign country and make decisions for it like going to war- and that perspective is recognized by both their subjects and other nations. And yet, a single antifa commie who wants to start a revolution by blowing up an ICE facility does not represent a government in anyone's eyes. That line can get fuzzy, but it usually isn't. Al-Qaeda never really solidified territory enough to create its own nation nor take over an existing one, and certainly had no international legitimacy. ISIS was abhorred by most of the world but did establish a brief caliphate, and its reasonable to say the fighting it did in Syria was warfare not terrorism at the time even if we officially label it the latter. And yet, attacks in sympathy or inspired by ISIS abroad by lone wolves are still terrorism because they are not formal operatives of a foreign power, just islamists.
In a lot of cases that legitimacy and recognition is a posteriori. The founding fathers would have been hung separately as Franklin quipped. It was by reaching critical mass and fighting for their self-rule they established a sovereign nation, which became recognized by both the people of America and the world. Al Qaeda, Hamas, later ISIS affiliates, etc don't have the force of arms to achieve sovereignty and instead stay terrorists.
This makes sense and helps clarify that the legitimacy of a government is determined by the collective consciousness of the people, which exist realistically in levels of microcosms forming the macrostate of the government.
Then it circles back to the power is everything argument, which is where terrorism vs. defending yourself against the barbarians is determined solely by what the people believe. History is written by the victors, and that history is deemed legitimate in the present only by people believing it is true. A great example of this in the present is the Israel war - most countries in the world say Israel is a terrorist state, but that means nothing if the people in power don't believe as such.
In any means, the fact is that violence is only an answer if it's sanctioned by a de facto democratic entity, which is of course a court of law judgement carried out by sanctioned violent actors (the police)
This post was edited by El1te on Dec 15 2024 09:58pm
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