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Dec 2 2024 04:11pm
The main problem with this situation is that two wrongs don't make a right. It's an issue when people accept something wrong their flavor of the month do. We should be mad when a politician do things like this whatever group he represent. Otherwise why even have a system based on Law and Justice?

I dream of a day where young adults/adults have better understanding of the world we live into so they don't get baited by these baits used by the corporations & rich to divide the people so we fight against each other instead of going at the rich & corporations who literally enslave us.

Just take a look at Canada. Politicians have to backpedal after destroying the economy and wages . Trudeau now start to be like ''Oh maybe we've done a mistake after 9 years of open borders'' and we need to save the economy and Canadians future now after they destroyed the liberal party. Even the npd is going downhill. Conservative will probably be in power for a decade or two at this point.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 2 2024 09:15am)
"politically motivated prosecutions and singling out are wrong" - dems


"trump deserves 200 years in prison and to be banned from public office for inflating collateral values on a loan he repaid" dems also.

yuck.


Uhhh I think Trump critics were focusing on the Jan 6th, classified documents, and GA election interference cases, which obviously weren't singling him out politically because the nature of all three cases have to do with him being president and taking actions that no other recent president has. Those cases are moot now because the American public re-elected a blatant criminal, but they clearly had plenty of merit, and Hunter Biden's cases are a much more obvious example of someone being singled out.

On the pardon, I can't play this silly game where norms and corruption matter for Democrats but not for Republicans. The American people clearly don't give a shit about norms or corruption, because they just re-elected Trump, so who gives a shit that Biden handed out a meritless pardon to his son? Trump handed several out 4 years ago to people he wasn't related to.

Democrats need to stop caring about things that voters don't care about. They need to find some sort of populist nihilism that works politically, because that's where voters are at. Voters do not truly care if you corruptly pardon your son... they might pretend to care for 2 seconds but it will fade away, just as every bad thing Trump has done fades away.
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Quote (IceMage @ Dec 2 2024 04:57pm)
Uhhh I think Trump critics were focusing on the Jan 6th, classified documents, and GA election interference cases, which obviously weren't singling him out politically because the nature of all three cases have to do with him being president and taking actions that no other recent president has. Those cases are moot now because the American public re-elected a blatant criminal, but they clearly had plenty of merit, and Hunter Biden's cases are a much more obvious example of someone being singled out.

On the pardon, I can't play this silly game where norms and corruption matter for Democrats but not for Republicans. The American people clearly don't give a shit about norms or corruption, because they just re-elected Trump, so who gives a shit that Biden handed out a meritless pardon to his son? Trump handed several out 4 years ago to people he wasn't related to.

Democrats need to stop caring about things that voters don't care about. They need to find some sort of populist nihilism that works politically, because that's where voters are at. Voters do not truly care if you corruptly pardon your son... they might pretend to care for 2 seconds but it will fade away, just as every bad thing Trump has done fades away.


I thought you cared about stuff like integrity, honest from politicians, character, respectability, etc.
I never cared about what personally happens to Joe or Hunter Biden as personal consequences, these are irrelevant to our country. Nor is it reprehensible for Joe Biden to pardon his own son. If anything, thats what I'd expect from any father. Nor does it matter in the slightest Hunter's promiscuity, drug use, reckless firearms/driving/etc- they don't matter to our country.
What does matter is that Joe and Hunter Biden engaged in some pretty blatant bribery with corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs that dragged us into a war. That is a huge issue. What does matter is Joe Biden, president of the united states, repeatedly lied to the public about his intentions for the sole purpose of manipulating an upcoming election. He lied over and over again.



I don't think its hard to weight the relevance of these stories. Hunter Biden's dick pics are an inflammatory sideshow. Hunter Biden receiving millions from Burisma while Joe's entanglements draw us into a losing war that get hundreds of thousands of people killed and cost us billions and bring us to the brink of nuclear apocalypse- kind of a big deal. Biden doing something we all expected him to do and even think he should do, isn't a big deal. Biden lying about it every time he opens his mouth, is.
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Quote (excellence @ Dec 2 2024 07:48am)
the usual suspects will find a way to call this all good and blame orange man and the “reich wing.”


Quote (IceMage @ Dec 2 2024 04:57pm)
Uhhh I think Trump critics were focusing on the Jan 6th, classified documents, and GA election interference cases, which obviously weren't singling him out politically because the nature of all three cases have to do with him being president and taking actions that no other recent president has. Those cases are moot now because the American public re-elected a blatant criminal, but they clearly had plenty of merit, and Hunter Biden's cases are a much more obvious example of someone being singled out.

On the pardon, I can't play this silly game where norms and corruption matter for Democrats but not for Republicans. The American people clearly don't give a shit about norms or corruption, because they just re-elected Trump, so who gives a shit that Biden handed out a meritless pardon to his son? Trump handed several out 4 years ago to people he wasn't related to.

Democrats need to stop caring about things that voters don't care about. They need to find some sort of populist nihilism that works politically, because that's where voters are at. Voters do not truly care if you corruptly pardon your son... they might pretend to care for 2 seconds but it will fade away, just as every bad thing Trump has done fades away.


It's so predictable.. Sad really


Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 2 2024 06:05pm)

What does matter is that Joe and Hunter Biden engaged in some pretty blatant bribery with corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs that dragged us into a war. That is a huge issue. What does matter is Joe Biden, president of the united states, repeatedly lied to the public about his intentions for the sole purpose of manipulating an upcoming election. He lied over and over again.


I have a feeling this part will be glossed over because it's inconvenient.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 2 2024 08:05pm)
I thought you cared about stuff like integrity, honest from politicians, character, respectability, etc.
I never cared about what personally happens to Joe or Hunter Biden as personal consequences, these are irrelevant to our country. Nor is it reprehensible for Joe Biden to pardon his own son. If anything, thats what I'd expect from any father. Nor does it matter in the slightest Hunter's promiscuity, drug use, reckless firearms/driving/etc- they don't matter to our country.
What does matter is that Joe and Hunter Biden engaged in some pretty blatant bribery with corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs that dragged us into a war. That is a huge issue. What does matter is Joe Biden, president of the united states, repeatedly lied to the public about his intentions for the sole purpose of manipulating an upcoming election. He lied over and over again.



I don't think its hard to weight the relevance of these stories. Hunter Biden's dick pics are an inflammatory sideshow. Hunter Biden receiving millions from Burisma while Joe's entanglements draw us into a losing war that get hundreds of thousands of people killed and cost us billions and bring us to the brink of nuclear apocalypse- kind of a big deal. Biden doing something we all expected him to do and even think he should do, isn't a big deal. Biden lying about it every time he opens his mouth, is.


Goom, I think you're a bad actor who simply enables even worse actors in the political arena. I have no desire to engage with you on anything.
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Quote (IceMage @ Dec 2 2024 06:17pm)
Goom, I think you're a bad actor who simply enables even worse actors in the political arena. I have no desire to engage with you on anything.


Its one election Ice, you'll get over it, Democrats have a good shot in another 4 years. We've both lived through plenty of these
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Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 2 2024 08:25pm)
Its one election Ice, you'll get over it, Democrats have a good shot in another 4 years. We've both lived through plenty of these


Clearly you didn't get the message.
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Quote (IceMage @ Dec 2 2024 06:27pm)
Clearly you didn't get the message.


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