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Sep 19 2024 07:10pm
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murdering is a behavioral norm in humans it's ridiculous to say otherwise, look at the most powerful non religious society in history for the highest murder count


No Killing is normal, Killing is much different than murdering. Our soldiers kill people they don't murder generally. Most people do not kill, Most people did not kill preceding christian or jewish teaching. Of course you're going to have some murdering. But general appcability of this Natural tendency is to not steal or murder each other
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Sep 19 2024 07:11pm
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This isn’t quite true either. Agnosticism isn’t a creed, it’s a method. You can try to be agnostic as much as possible but we are emotional beings by nature, we all have a bias toward certain ideas. No one is completely agnostic


Oh certainly, There are some biased agnostics out there who probably wouldn't give certain Believe systems the Benefit of doubt. But I believe generally speaking is an applicable term.
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Sep 19 2024 07:14pm
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Ok, great. What’s your evidence that there is no god?


Well we would have to break that down depending on which god you referring to. Seeing as the historicity Of the bible is not quite accurate. Using this as a yard stick as the validity of Christianity yields no proof, for anyone who isn't engaged in motivated reasoning, would agree as compelling.
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Sep 19 2024 07:17pm
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Ok, great. What’s your evidence that there is no god?


If you mean what evidence do I have for disbelief, is the fact natural science shows humans to be complex multi celled organisms. Bound by natural forces.

E/ no more than sophisticated animals, perhaps at the top Of the animal kingdom, But still a part of its superstructure

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Well we would have to break that down depending on which god you referring to. Seeing as the historicity Of the bible is not quite accurate. Using this as a yard stick as the validity of Christianity yields no proof, for anyone who isn't engaged in motivated reasoning, would agree as compelling.


No. You said there is no god. I’m not advocating anything, this is your theory and you said you have evidence that there is “NO god”.

Disproving the existence of any single deity gets you exactly 0 progress towards proving that there is no god.

You stated your position clearly. Now provide the evidence.
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Sep 19 2024 07:20pm
Quote (Shadowoffury @ Sep 19 2024 08:18pm)
No. You said there is no god. I’m not advocating anything, this is your theory and you said you have evidence that there is “NO god”.

Disproving the existence of any single deity gets you exactly 0 progress towards proving that there is no god.

You stated your position clearly. Now provide the evidence.


Well there is no evidence for a god. All of human history demonstrates a clear path and a mountain of evidence. That humans developed by natural not artificial or supernatural means.
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Well there is no evidence for a god. All of human history demonstrates a clear path and a mountain of evidence. That humans developed by natural not artificial or supernatural means.


But that’s not what you said. You said you have evidence that there is no god. It’s starting to seem like you don’t have any evidence, which is disappointing to me, because I like evidence. Unlike you, I do not have faith to bolster me on this topic.
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Quote (ScionCapital @ Sep 19 2024 06:10pm)
No Killing is normal, Killing is much different than murdering. Our soldiers kill people they don't murder generally. Most people do not kill, Most people did not kill preceding christian or jewish teaching. Of course you're going to have some murdering. But general appcability of this Natural tendency is to not steal or murder each other


the difference between killing and murder is a matter of subjective morals if we are using the atheist point of view. There's no reason that the holocaust wasn't just justified killing if you are the nazis, or the 100 million murdered by the communist party of the USSR was completely justified killing.

to differentiate "murder" and "killing" morally requires a moral system that is not moral relativism.
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Sep 19 2024 07:30pm
Quote (Shadowoffury @ Sep 19 2024 08:24pm)
But that’s not what you said. You said you have evidence that there is no god. It’s starting to seem like you don’t have any evidence, which is disappointing to me, because I like evidence. Unlike you, I do not have faith to bolster me on this topic.


My evidence is the fact our Constituent cells/molecules were naturally formed in the early years of earth's formation, a natural process.

My evidence is the fact of natural planetary formation due to natural processes not a supernatural one.

My Evidence is the fact that 0 gods have ever revealed themselves in z fashion which would be tirelessly apparent.
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Sep 19 2024 07:33pm
Quote (majorblood @ Sep 19 2024 08:28pm)
the difference between killing and murder is a matter of subjective morals if we are using the atheist point of view. There's no reason that the holocaust wasn't just justified killing if you are the nazis, or the 100 million murdered by the communist party of the USSR was completely justified killing.

to differentiate "murder" and "killing" morally requires a moral system that is not moral relativism.


Disagree. The vast majority of people at the time of the holocaust knew of the evils perpetrated by the nazis were horrendous. You don't need Christian moral law >Which is laughably immoral by any standard of the past century. > a hand full of nazis do not dictate natural human tendency toward Good mortality

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