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Sep 6 2024 10:06am
Quote (Mondain @ Sep 6 2024 11:04am)
Is that not what's happening, in the case for which this thread was made?

So if the system is working, you're blowing hot air.


The system man's working, But there's more that we can do to streamline the process. You act like we can declare victory. No sir. We don't ever declare victory. It's like the global war on terror. We will constantly be pushing the block and we will never reach the end. But we will get Very very far
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Sep 6 2024 10:11am
Quote (ScionCapital @ Sep 6 2024 04:06pm)
The system man's working, But there's more that we can do to streamline the process. You act like we can declare victory. No sir. We don't ever declare victory. It's like the global war on terror. We will constantly be pushing the block and we will never reach the end. But we will get Very very far


This isn't about Winning or Victory.
That's the part you anti-firearm thinkers don't get.

The law of the land is already established.

It's nothing like the global war on terror.
What a terrible take.

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Furthermore to take a tragic event and try to profit off it for a 'victory'.
what an egregious action to take.
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Sep 6 2024 10:12am
The shooter is responsible for the shooting.

However, if the parents (or legal guardian) knew that the kid had mental health problems, suicidal ideation, violent outbursts or outright verbalized his desire to harm others AND allowed him to access a firearm then I could understand some type of negligence charges. I don't really see how a murder charge for the father makes sense if he had no knowledge of the kid's intentions.

Once again, this will be co-opted by some to justify their desire to ban firearms from the public instead of trying to address why so many kids feel that their only way out is to go out with a "bang".
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Sep 6 2024 10:17am
The law of the land can always be up Ended. By That logic no victory can ever be declared from any war. When people are murdered because of guns we don't declare victory in that sense. That's an unmitigated failure. What we declare victory for is the next step in mitigation. To prevent those from happening again. It just shows how intellectually this honest. You're argument is for you to even attempt to draw connecting lines there
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The shooter is responsible for the shooting.

However, if the parents (or legal guardian) knew that the kid had mental health problems, suicidal ideation, violent outbursts or outright verbalized his desire to harm others AND allowed him to access a firearm then I could understand some type of negligence charges. I don't really see how a murder charge for the father makes sense if he had no knowledge of the kid's intentions.

Once again, this will be co-opted by some to justify their desire to ban firearms from the public instead of trying to address why so many kids feel that their only way out is to go out with a "bang".


In order for you to own your guns free and clear. It's not possible what you are in fact, doing is standing on a pile of bodies champing gun ownership.
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Sep 6 2024 10:36am
Quote (ScionCapital @ Sep 6 2024 12:17pm)
In order for you to own your guns free and clear. It's not possible what you are in fact, doing is standing on a pile of bodies champing gun ownership.


That's an odd conclusion.
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Sep 6 2024 10:36am
Media is responsible.
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Quote (Chainsaw47 @ Sep 6 2024 11:36am)
That's an odd conclusion.


Simply, that gentleman was more than likely a gun rights champion. That old " My rights triump your dead" Crowd. My dead are dead due to your rights.
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Quote (said_aouita @ Sep 6 2024 10:16am)
I'm sure obama and Biden will be blamed somehow by the maga crowd.


chiming in from vacation crowd

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Sep 6 2024 12:19pm
did they charge the mother too?
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