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Aug 17 2024 11:04pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 17 2024 10:02pm)
I'm socially conservative and I think the left's own weirdness on several issues can be exploited by the right. Putting your pronouns in your company bio to try to accommodate less than 1% of the population is weird. Calling Hispanic people Latinx is weird.

And this is coming from someone who proudly calls the Trumpists weird.


Do these really carry that much weight among conservatives to believe that they similarly carry enough weight with the younger generations to alter the arc of social inertia?
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Do these really carry that much weight among conservatives to believe that they similarly carry enough weight with the younger generations to alter the arc of social inertia?


These are just a couple examples of issues which point out how the left's ideology is not necessarily popular among young people. Sure, the new generation is more tolerant and accepting, that doesn't mean they support nonsense.

And I could definitely see a charismatic, hopeful, smart, populist right-wing candidate who opposes the excesses of the left while supporting populist policies that could win over young voters.

The populist right today is focused on grievance and looking back, but if they adjust in the right way, they could become a prominent force in American politics.
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Resident conservatives, what is the discourse in your spaces around the generational trends? Is it that conservatives are needing to adapt to draw in younger generations, or is it that generational trends are temporary and self-correcting?


The young male vote is going to be won outright. The future is right.
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The young male vote is going to be won outright. The future is right.


People like Bogie support Trump because they think it's the path to winning but Trump is going to lose and there's no serious right-wing populism on the horizon.
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The young male vote is going to be won outright. The future is right.


I'm curious where you see this being evident.

Quote (IceMage @ Aug 17 2024 10:20pm)
These are just a couple examples of issues which point out how the left's ideology is not necessarily popular among young people. Sure, the new generation is more tolerant and accepting, that doesn't mean they support nonsense.

And I could definitely see a charismatic, hopeful, smart, populist right-wing candidate who opposes the excesses of the left while supporting populist policies that could win over young voters.

The populist right today is focused on grievance and looking back, but if they adjust in the right way, they could become a prominent force in American politics.


Sounds like an uphill battle, given that the 'nonsense' of the left, as it were, is ideological and rooted in language in those examples--whereas, the position of the right involves judgment of actual people. Younger generations are disproportionately likely to have personal connection to someone who is, for instance LGBTQ+, than older generations whose only 'real' intersection with this is in online spaces.

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Sounds like an uphill battle, given that the 'nonsense' of the left, as it were, is ideological and rooted in language in those examples--whereas, the position of the right involves judgment of actual people. Younger generations are disproportionately likely to have personal connection to someone who is, for instance LGBTQ+, than older generations whose only 'real' intersection with this is in online spaces.


The fact that you view our perspective as an "uphill battle" shows how you are disconnected from the right.
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Aug 18 2024 12:32am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 17 2024 11:27pm)
The fact that you view our perspective as an "uphill battle" shows how you are disconnected from the right.


From a generational perspective, is where my use of the expression comes from.
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that the Electoral College is now Affirmative Action for them

except on d2jsp of course where the majority of posters here love Cheetos

friendly reminder that the EC (and the Senate) are artifacts of a time when slave states needed enough political sway to protect the institution of slavery in order to be persuaded to be part of the union of states when it was formed

there have been countless narratives promoted to conceal this fact (big states shouldn't be able to elect the president all the time, candidates would never visit small states otherwise, blah blah blah) but they're all BS it was slavery

Wyoming has 144k voters per EC vote. The biggest states have well over 450k voters per EC vote. That means a Wyoming voter's vote is worth more than 3 times as much as someone in CA, TX, FL, NY, PA which is absurd


I'm sorry I don't think that it's fair for Los Angeles. Voters to determine what happens in Kentucky. For Kentucky voters to have no say in the political process. Which without the college is exactly what would happen. If democrats want to win an election, Which they have in the past, They have to play the game that is played and not the game they want to be played.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Aug 17 2024 11:14pm)
I'm curious where you see this being evident.



Sounds like an uphill battle, given that the 'nonsense' of the left, as it were, is ideological and rooted in language in those examples--whereas, the position of the right involves judgment of actual people. Younger generations are disproportionately likely to have personal connection to someone who is, for instance LGBTQ+, than older generations whose only 'real' intersection with this is in online spaces.


At least from my side, the current young people (high school age to early college) absolutely despise the woke crap and anything reminiscent of lockdowns. They'll openly joke about it as opposed to my generation where it was socially taboo throughout university. I see the bulk of support for "woke" stuff coming from the generation that has already passed university (25 year old ish) where wokeness was in full swing. They all have their stories on how horrible the lockdowns were and related absurdities of remote classes and stuff like that. This isn't just young men too, the young women are also recognizing that "woke" stuff is for women who are very unattractive, obese or otherwise unlikable and unhygienic. They're more open minded in that they question what they're blindly told which causes them to recognize the total absurdities of what constitutes truth from the regime today.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Aug 18 2024 02:14am)
I'm curious where you see this being evident.


https://www.wsj.com/video/series/wsj-explains/trump-is-attracting-young-male-voters-can-harris-change-that/2F42B70D-EA21-41F9-84EC-EE8446CE5A44

Quote (IceMage @ Aug 18 2024 02:10am)
People like Bogie support Trump because they think it's the path to winning but Trump is going to lose and there's no serious right-wing populism on the horizon.


Trump certainly might lose, he's a flawed candidate. But that's a weird way to look at it. I don't want price controls, I don't want government in the business of censoring speech. I do want an accountable and effective bureaucracy, and I don't want radicals in control of public schools. I want an FBI that effectively clamps down on crime, not one trying to put moles in Catholic church groups. Given my priorities, it's pretty clear why I don't support the Democratic nominee.
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