Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 3 2024 03:53pm)

There's also plenty of useless domestic spending, so your "but there are starving Americans"-talking point can be used against so many things the government is spending money on.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 3 2024 06:35pm)

This is perfectly reasonable if the ROI on these billions is ultimately higher. Just a hypothetical, albeit drastic scenario: there is a second Arab spring, but this time around, it spreads from Syria and Egypt to Jordan and then spills over into Iraq. By that point, the islamist revolt has so much momentum that even Saudi Arabia is overrun by it. Oil production in the Middle East completely collapses, and with it the global economy. You have rampant inflation and fuel shortages all across the world, which leads to far more Americans starving.

So yes, the US have a vital interest in keeping the ME stable, which implies that they have a vital interest in maintaining a potential base of operations in the region, particularly a base which is based in a non-Muslim-majority country. If shit truly hits the fan, you can't rely on military bases in SA, Qatar and the like.

It is of course difficult to put a price tag on such geostrategic considerations, but the idea that the US itself would be guaranteed to be better off without this investment in a crucial geostrategic ally doesn't hold up to scrutiny.





Could the same goals be achieved for less money? Probably, but by how much? Calculating the exact tipping point is imho impossible.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-CRXROorw

Quote (WhiskeyRunz @ Jul 3 2024 04:57pm)

I really love the part where he breifly skips over the jews being kicked out of countries across the globe, no reason specified..

But it was really funny when he said, "newsflash, we're not going anywhere.."

pretty sure they've been moving from one country to another, being banished along the way.. for quite a long time now..

I enjoyed the zionist boomer take from Bill, t4t

Quote (WhiskeyRunz @ Jul 3 2024 04:57pm)

I really love the part where he breifly skips over the jews being kicked out of countries across the globe, no reason specified..

But it was really funny when he said, "newsflash, we're not going anywhere.."

pretty sure they've been moving from one country to another, being banished along the way.. for quite a long time now..

I enjoyed the zionist boomer take from Bill, t4t

Quote (JessiWan @ Jul 3 2024 05:15pm)

I don't understand the psychology of Jews. Nobody wants them, they get kicked out of every country they have ever been in. I would have thought to myself, why is this happening? Why am I unwelcome in every place I have been in? Was it something I did? Was it something about me? Maybe I should change my ways because people seem to dislike me". But instead they just smugly say, "Look world, we are not going anywhere".

Can you imagine the chutzpah and total lack of introspection of these people?

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 3 2024 05:25pm)

If Jews met the bigotry they face with weakness you would hold that against them.

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There's no logic to anti-Semitism, just hatred looking for a reason.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK5stz_o2_c

Quote (JessiWan @ Jul 3 2024 05:35pm)

How about you don't talk in the hypothetical?



Yes, Jews have been kicked out of literally every country they have been in, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. Everybody else is the ones with a problem.

Maybe you should actually try and ask these evil "haters" why they don't like Jews. Where there is smoke, there is always a fire. Jews are hated for a reason.



You need a video to make a point for yourself. Guess writing is hard for you.

Didn't click, btw.

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 3 2024 05:44pm)

Why not? What would be gained if I didn't?

African-Americans have been kicked out of every state in our country... but rational people recognize this is (generally) because of racism, not some inherent problem with black people.

But looking at your guild name, I suppose that's not an argument that will work with you.

Hatred doesn't justify itself. You don't get to say "this group is hated in a lot of places, therefore there's good reason for the hatred". The truth isn't determined by popular vote. People(like yourself) believe a lot of stupid shit, the fact that many people believe stupid shit is not a good argument for stupid shit.

He makes the point more convincingly than I could writing it. Writing is easy for me, at least on this forum.