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May 3 2024 01:57pm
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Calling the fringe of the left the heart of the left is laughably dishonest.

one could argue, and i do, that by allowing this fringe to be vocal in the way they are that the true heart of the left shares some but not all blame. but acting like mainstream leftists are genocidal antisemites is about as silly as suggesting the trump base is comprised of KKK members and proud boys to a large degree.


Its a non-disavowable faction of the party at least. Donald Trump can cut off overt racists from his party by saying he denounces them, repudiates them, basically fuck'em. Democrats have a few fringes they're willing to cut off, used to be they would denounce overt communists but they've gone silent on that for the most part, but they're definitely willing to say fuck'em to satanists, "post birth abortionists" or whatever kooky fringe. But its hard for me to dream up these examples, because the reality is Democrats have a lot of onerous factions they aren't willing to overtly disavow. And that even includes aforementioned commies like antifa, islamofacists and their genocidal antisemites, the most noxious transgender firebrands, etc. They're that afraid of losing their tenuous grasp on michigan when it comes to antisemitism. And they're afraid of demotivating the ~60% of the democratic base who are more sympthetic to Palestinians.

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Its a non-disavowable faction of the party at least. Donald Trump can cut off overt racists from his party by saying he denounces them, repudiates them, basically fuck'em. Democrats have a few fringes they're willing to cut off, used to be they would denounce overt communists but they've gone silent on that for the most part, but they're definitely willing to say fuck'em to satanists, "post birth abortionists" or whatever kooky fringe. But its hard for me to dream up these examples, because the reality is Democrats have a lot of onerous factions they aren't willing to overtly disavow. And that even includes aforementioned commies like antifa, islamofacists and their genocidal antisemites, the most noxious transgender firebrands, etc. They're that afraid of losing their tenuous grasp on michigan when it comes to antisemitism. And they're afraid of demotivating the ~60% of the democratic base who are more sympthetic to Palestinians.

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republicans supporting an apartheid state shocking

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Quote (Goomshill @ May 3 2024 01:57pm)
Its a non-disavowable faction of the party at least. Donald Trump can cut off overt racists from his party by saying he denounces them, repudiates them, basically fuck'em. Democrats have a few fringes they're willing to cut off, used to be they would denounce overt communists but they've gone silent on that for the most part, but they're definitely willing to say fuck'em to satanists, "post birth abortionists" or whatever kooky fringe. But its hard for me to dream up these examples, because the reality is Democrats have a lot of onerous factions they aren't willing to overtly disavow. And that even includes aforementioned commies like antifa, islamofacists and their genocidal antisemites, the most noxious transgender firebrands, etc. They're that afraid of losing their tenuous grasp on michigan when it comes to antisemitism. And they're afraid of demotivating the ~60% of the democratic base who are more sympthetic to Palestinians.

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I think, and its just a gut feeling, that the democratic brass isn't afraid of losing a pre-op transvestite #freepalestine antica commie's vote, it's the votes they take with them if they jump ship. they wont jump ship to the GOP, but they'll dissuade democratic votes. the interesting part is it's fairly rare i see someone who's just one of those things. the PCM meme of "emily" is wierdly representative, literal antifa lgbtqa+ commie free palestiners, all in one umm i guess you'd call it a person. and oddly that one person somehow commands the votes of dozens of the "normal" liberals in their social sphere. i think its somewhat a symptom of liberals living more terminally online on average than the GOP voters. GOP voters sit down at the end of the day and post a few facebook memes, Emily is on twitter, threads, instagram, and reddit for hours daily. these social threads run much deeper. no one cares if uncle rufus is "SO DONE" with the state republicans, but god forbid Emily calls out the town council for being transphobic. idk its friday and im spitballing.
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Quote (thesnipa @ May 2 2024 10:48pm)
Great tune, cringey message. especially because anarchists in the modern era respect by-and-large the nonaggression principle. which has ceded all power to the state. they're quivering softbellies begging the state to not oppress them.

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Quote (Handcuffs @ May 4 2024 02:28am)
I do. For instance, if one looks at posts that gain traction in leftist spaces, it is typically messages about being critical, identification of transgressions, efforts to boycott/cancel/protest, and naming intersectional/global injustices.

There's countless instances of the left coming together against something, but rare to find them building anything.


The left built my entire country, we had free education, free healthcare, affordable housing, a thriving middle class.
It took 23 years of the last 30 of the right being in power to erode most of that.
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May 3 2024 04:19pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 3 2024 02:36pm)
Calling the fringe of the left the heart of the left is laughably dishonest.

one could argue, and i do, that by allowing this fringe to be vocal in the way they are that the true heart of the left shares some but not all blame. but acting like mainstream leftists are genocidal antisemites is about as silly as suggesting the trump base is comprised of KKK members and proud boys to a large degree.


I don't like the KKK comparison, because we're talking about a handful of losers (KKK) versus millions of people (the American hard left).

If the American right was afraid of the Proud Boy demographic (are they?), I'd consider it a fair comparison. Joe Biden is afraid of what the hard left thinks, clearly, hence the bothsideism.
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The left built my entire country, we had free education, free healthcare, affordable housing, a thriving middle class.
It took 23 years of the last 30 of the right being in power to erode most of that.


I should have clarified that I was mostly referring to the American leftism seen on university campuses, as exemplified by the OP.

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Bagel kebabs for world peace. :D
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Bagel kebabs for world peace. :D




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The left built my entire country, we had free education, free healthcare, affordable housing, a thriving middle class.
It took 23 years of the last 30 of the right being in power to erode most of that.





Yeah... the rest of the world learned long ago... socialism doesn't work.
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