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Jan 27 2024 01:16pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 27 2024 11:13am)
And you actually think the jury needed to believe E Jean Carroll's story to rule against Donald Trump?
Do you know what city the trial took place in?


the same city he sexually assaulted her in?
if you want to bitch about the jury, maybe dont rape people in cities you dont want to go to court in? seems pretty basic
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Jan 27 2024 01:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 27 2024 01:15pm)
Oh look conspiratorial nonsense instead of acknowledging reality


What 'conspiracy' is required?
Are you so enamored of the jury system you actually think juries always believe their own verdicts?
When a jury of Bryant and Milam's peers found them not guilty of lynching Emmett Till, it wasn't a conspiracy, it was a raging bias.
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Jan 27 2024 01:21pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 27 2024 01:16pm)
the same city he sexually assaulted her in?
if you want to bitch about the jury, maybe dont rape people in cities you dont want to go to court in? seems pretty basic


You don't believe it happened, and neither do they. Neither of you need a reason to let that obstruct your hatred of Donald Trump
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Jan 27 2024 01:29pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 27 2024 11:21am)
You don't believe it happened, and neither do they. Neither of you need a reason to let that obstruct your hatred of Donald Trump


just because I and others dont like him doesnt absolve Trump from raping people. you dont get a get-out-of-jail-free card just because you are anathema
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Jan 27 2024 01:29pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 27 2024 01:19pm)
What 'conspiracy' is required?
Are you so enamored of the jury system you actually think juries always believe their own verdicts?
When a jury of Bryant and Milam's peers found them not guilty of lynching Emmett Till, it wasn't a conspiracy, it was a raging bias.


The conspiracy is the jurors acting together to a verdict despite not believing it. Juries can make mistakes or nullify but this case was pretty open and shut. Of course you aren't capable of acknowledging when the system works though, you're working backwards from Trump being right.

It's also just incredibly dumb to believe that a city has a monolithic hatred. Jury selection is a thing and trumps lawyers were more than capable of finding biased jurors and exempting them.
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Jan 27 2024 01:36pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 Jan 2024 20:29)
It's also just incredibly dumb to believe that a city has a monolithic hatred. Jury selection is a thing and trumps lawyers were more than capable of finding biased jurors and exempting them.


Even I, a wannabe pundit couch warrior from a different continent, know that the defense can only reject a very limited number of prospective jurors. :rolleyes:
https://nysba.org/NYSBA/Coursebooks/Fall%202013%20CLE%20Coursebooks/Basics%20of%20Civil%20Practice%20The%20Trial%202013/1_Jury_Section.pdf

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Technically, a peremptory challenge gives a lawyer the right to have a prospective juror
excused without explanation. Pursuant to CPLR ยง4109, in civil trials in New York each side has a
combined total of three peremptory challenges plus one peremptory challenge for every two
alternate jurors. While the trial court has the discretion to grant additional challenges equally to
each side, the number of challenges is still limited. It is for this reason that one of the main goals
of jury selection, regardless of sides, is the preservation of peremptory challenges.


So the whole lynchpin of your argument, namely the assumption that Trump was found guilty by a fair and unbiased jury, falls apart.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 27 2024 01:38pm
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Jan 27 2024 01:40pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 27 2024 01:29pm)
The conspiracy is the jurors acting together to a verdict despite not believing it. Juries can make mistakes or nullify but this case was pretty open and shut. Of course you aren't capable of acknowledging when the system works though, you're working backwards from Trump being right.

It's also just incredibly dumb to believe that a city has a monolithic hatred. Jury selection is a thing and trumps lawyers were more than capable of finding biased jurors and exempting them.


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Jan 27 2024 01:40pm
It's really weird how Trump cultists(bogie, goom, etc) react to these situations.

Let's be real, it's suspect whether or not Trump is guilty of sexually assaulting that woman. But it's even more weird how Trump cultists insist on defending the guy, even up to him being the presidential nominee. How is that rational? It's a suicide pact because you all agree on the people you hate.
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Jan 27 2024 01:41pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 27 2024 01:36pm)
Even I, a wannabe pundit couch warrior from a different continent, know that the defense can only reject a very limited number of prospective jurors. :rolleyes:
https://nysba.org/NYSBA/Coursebooks/Fall%202013%20CLE%20Coursebooks/Basics%20of%20Civil%20Practice%20The%20Trial%202013/1_Jury_Section.pdf

So the whole lynchpin of your argument, namely the assumption that Trump was found guilty by a fair and unbiased jury, falls apart.


If you can show bias in the juror you don't use one of your challenges

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 27 2024 01:45pm
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Jan 27 2024 01:45pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 Jan 2024 20:41)
If you can show bias in the juror you don't use an exemption.


If you can prove bias. In most cases, there will be strong indications that a juror is probably biased one way or the other, but no sufficient proof.

Say you have a 24 year old black woman who is a street worker spending her days trying to help underprivileged kids. Going by demographic trends from exit poll data, there's a 99% chance that she voted against Trump both times he was on the ballot, and maybe an 80% chance that she hates him with a passion - but unless the defense finds explicit comments on Trump on her social media or something like that, they cannot prove that she actually is biased against him.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 27 2024 01:46pm
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