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Jan 5 2024 02:48pm
Quote (El1te @ Jan 5 2024 02:39pm)
Does this not contradict your statement that all human life contains equal potency?

agreed with the rest of everything here

the strong, powerful & competent have a moral duty to protect & uplift the weak where reasonable (this doesn't mean coddling criminals)


My point is that all human life in order to achieve whatever potency they contain (which varies, some are academically inclined while others are athletically inclined or artistic etc) must be nurtured and cultivated. Diversity of talents is fantastic and varying capacities certainly exist. Any reasonable person should see that from a moral perspective every human life should be treated with dignity and respect… that’s the kind of equality I’m talking about
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Jan 5 2024 02:50pm
Quote (El1te @ Jan 5 2024 02:42pm)
South Asians are not really capable of proper self-governance and managing a united state

The whole place has been a shitshow since my ancestors left them to their own devices


My wife and I lived in Indonesia for years, it’s evident that much of the land and institutions areowned by Chinese families that immigrated or took control several generations ago
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Jan 5 2024 03:20pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 03:36pm)
na, just pick the right state


Any city in any state applies
any given Sunday
The US is just as dangerous in cities as any country in the ME
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Quote (zorzin @ Jan 5 2024 01:20pm)
Any city in any state applies
any given Sunday
The US is just as dangerous in cities as any country in the ME


got a single fact to back this up?
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Jan 5 2024 03:23pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 04:20pm)
got a single fact to back this up?




Of course he doesn't. LOL
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Jan 5 2024 03:52pm
Let's be honest, when you see the level of this topic an "islamic invasion" isn't such a bad news.
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Jan 5 2024 04:47pm
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 5 2024 02:58pm)
if the idea that all people should have access to quality education and basic healthcare, then yes I'm a communist

people are different but the circumstances that they are born into are completely involuntary, yes? out of control

genetics are just another form of lottery, some people are born very strong and others are born weak. this is not being disputed

rather I'm suggesting that people born strong should use their talents to raise people who are weaker than them

instead you seem to be advocating for those born strong trampling on those who are weak because they can, because "hierarchies naturally exist"


Fairness is reward according to merit. Where the merit comes from, whether hard work, genetic gift, socialization, parenting, or some combination of them all is neither here nor there. Something is being provided, and something commensurate is being given in return. Through that merit is properly rewarded and incentivized, and the broader group is better off.
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Jan 5 2024 04:57pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 5 2024 04:47pm)
Fairness is reward according to merit. Where the merit comes from, whether hard work, genetic gift, socialization, parenting, or some combination of them all is neither here nor there. Something is being provided, and something commensurate is being given in return. Through that merit is properly rewarded and incentivized, and the broader group is better off.


this is being goal oriented based on rewards/consequences

I'm advocating for being process oriented

if you are dedicated to the goal, then you will justify corruption to meet an ends

if you are dedicated to the process, then you will not need to justify corruption to meet an ends

talent and the capacity for determined effort, depend a great deal on one’s genetic endowments and upbringing (all luck, therefore meritocracy is flawed)

a belief in meritocracy is not only demonstrably false, a growing body of research in psychology and neuroscience suggests that believing in meritocracy makes people more selfish, less self-critical and even more prone to acting in discriminatory ways

have you ever gone to a dealership to buy a car? you need not look any further for concrete evidence of the deception people are willing to put you through to achieve their own agenda

I've studied game theory extensively and there are many experiments that prove people who believe they are more talented (even if they truly aren't) will act more selfishly and unethically

Meritocracy is a false and not very salutary belief. As with any ideology, part of its draw is that it justifies the status quo, explaining why people belong where they happen to be in the social order. It is a well-established psychological principle that people prefer to believe that the world is just, when all it really does is try to justify the ends of luck being harnessed to trample on the less fortunate



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Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 04:20pm)
got a single fact to back this up?


Quote (Ghot @ Jan 5 2024 04:23pm)
Of course he doesn't. LOL


Are both of you actually unaware of how dangerous cities in America have become? I'm not talking about America but specifically inner city violence. One of my favourite stats is when you take out like 12 cities, America has the same amount of gun crime as Switzerland. You can call the ME a shithole but it's not like we're any better at this point.

This link is comparing crime stats between Iran and the us:

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Iran/United-States/Crime
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Quote (zorzin @ Jan 6 2024 09:38am)
Are both of you actually unaware of how dangerous cities in America have become? I'm not talking about America but specifically inner city violence. One of my favourite stats is when you take out like 12 cities, America has the same amount of gun crime as Switzerland. You can call the ME a shithole but it's not like we're any better at this point.

This link is comparing crime stats between Iran and the us:

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Iran/United-States/Crime





Yeah... and 90% of the crime is from those same immigrants. At least in the US.
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