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Dec 19 2023 09:25pm
Quote (Sioux @ Dec 19 2023 07:12pm)
What would you call it if a party has only won the national popular vote in a presidential race once in 30 years?


Siri what are regional interests?
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Dec 19 2023 09:55pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 19 2023 06:28pm)
you are so witty my dude, i like it


You fascinate me. Do you actually believe that the Colorado court's action is 100% legal, unbiased, and follows not only the letter, but the spirit of the law and the Constitution?

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Dec 19 2023 10:47pm
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You fascinate me. Do you actually believe that the Colorado court's action is 100% legal, unbiased, and follows not only the letter, but the spirit of the law and the Constitution?


reading the law literally, yeah. did you read the courts majority opinion? they were very careful and aware of how serious the case is
I dont see how people can cry foul when Trump had every opportunity to quell his boogaloo boys but decided to throw fuel on the fire instead
the dude has no integrity, no morals, clearly will do and say whatever it takes to get his way (legal or not). how can you say the courts are biased? does he get legal immunity solely because he wants to be president again? are you fucking serious lol
the evidence about his involvement in jan 6 is beyond overwhelming, he should be in a gulag. surely you dont think he's innocent
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Dec 19 2023 11:16pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 19 2023 08:47pm)
reading the law literally, yeah. did you read the courts majority opinion? they were very careful and aware of how serious the case is
I dont see how people can cry foul when Trump had every opportunity to quell his boogaloo boys but decided to throw fuel on the fire instead


Throwing fuel on fire isn't illegal...

He also didn't have to quell anybody. Those people were adults, they should take responsibility for their actions.
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Dec 19 2023 11:41pm
Quote (Sioux @ Dec 19 2023 09:12pm)
What would you call it if a party has only won the national popular vote in a presidential race once in 30 years?


I'd call it a democratic republic, where everyone agreed to abide by the formal rules and accepted the result. Because just in: Even when Trump lost, he accepted the result, no matter how much democrats want to pretend otherwise. He left office, the end. Even Obama made more of a fuss on his way out of the door, and used the interim time to set up a spying program on his successor.
The electoral college is the system the states all agreed to, and it exists because our republic was set up to respect minority states and minority parties instead of letting a direct democracy trample on them. As long as everyone agrees to the rules and plays by them and the victor is chosen fairly, our democracy works.


As soon as democrats try to destroy that system by barring Trump from the ballot, or locking him up, how do you think this ends?
That's the simple question that has the most relevance here: What is the next step? How does this end?
Rather than doomsay or give apocalyptic warnings of civil war, lets be clear. The most likely outcome right now is this decision goes to John Roberts desk and SCOTUS promptly shits all over colorado and tells them to fuck off and we go back to status quo and the election goes on. But democrats keep pushing. What happens if Georgia democrats decide to issue an arrest warrant for Trump? What happens if a democrat secretary of state refuses to allow Trump on a ballot, scotus be damned? What if they try to drag out the litigation and appeals through the election enough to muddle and interfere with it? What if scotus doesn't actually do its job, or do it swiftly enough? These are very real risks, and then we have to ask how that scenario plays out. Say Trump is removed from the ballot in several (D) states and the election is still pending. Republicans wouldn't just cry foul at that point, they would react. Texas, or Florida, might pass an emergency bill to declare they will not recognize the results of an election where the major party candidates are barred from running. Even without a formal law, people wouldn't recognize the elections as legitimate either way. If Trump somehow wins in a landslide we might brush over the whole stupid affair, but assuming he loses, whether by a hair or a mile, it still would be the end of the democratic process at a federal level in the USA. You can't have a democracy where people don't agree to abide by votes, don't agree to follow the rules and don't accept the results.
That's a major destabilization. A proximate spark for chaos. Nobody can predict exactly how it would shake out. Like hurling a bomb into a fireworks factory, you're going to fuck some shit up, but do you really know how bad it will be, or how many will die, or what will be left standing? I'd predict the balkanization of the US and split between states at a minimum
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Dec 20 2023 12:09am
Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 19 2023 08:47pm)
reading the law literally, yeah. did you read the courts majority opinion? they were very careful and aware of how serious the case is
I dont see how people can cry foul when Trump had every opportunity to quell his boogaloo boys but decided to throw fuel on the fire instead
the dude has no integrity, no morals, clearly will do and say whatever it takes to get his way (legal or not). how can you say the courts are biased? does he get legal immunity solely because he wants to be president again? are you fucking serious lol
the evidence about his involvement in jan 6 is beyond overwhelming, he should be in a gulag. surely you dont think he's innocent


Neither you nor I have enough evidence to convict Donald Trump of whatever. Fortunately, that's irrelevant.

My argument is that the Colorado court is trying to remove political freedoms from the people of Colorado. This coming from the same faction that claims to be upholding "Our Democracy (tm)".

If you're so confident that Trump is a loser and whatever else, let him run. Fair and square. No cheating this time.
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Dec 20 2023 12:12am
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 20 2023 04:41pm)
I'd call it a democratic republic, where everyone agreed to abide by the formal rules and accepted the result. Because just in: Even when Trump lost, he accepted the result, no matter how much democrats want to pretend otherwise. He left office, the end. Even Obama made more of a fuss on his way out of the door, and used the interim time to set up a spying program on his successor.
The electoral college is the system the states all agreed to, and it exists because our republic was set up to respect minority states and minority parties instead of letting a direct democracy trample on them. As long as everyone agrees to the rules and plays by them and the victor is chosen fairly, our democracy works.


As soon as democrats try to destroy that system by barring Trump from the ballot, or locking him up, how do you think this ends?
That's the simple question that has the most relevance here: What is the next step? How does this end?
Rather than doomsay or give apocalyptic warnings of civil war, lets be clear. The most likely outcome right now is this decision goes to John Roberts desk and SCOTUS promptly shits all over colorado and tells them to fuck off and we go back to status quo and the election goes on. But democrats keep pushing. What happens if Georgia democrats decide to issue an arrest warrant for Trump? What happens if a democrat secretary of state refuses to allow Trump on a ballot, scotus be damned? What if they try to drag out the litigation and appeals through the election enough to muddle and interfere with it? What if scotus doesn't actually do its job, or do it swiftly enough? These are very real risks, and then we have to ask how that scenario plays out. Say Trump is removed from the ballot in several (D) states and the election is still pending. Republicans wouldn't just cry foul at that point, they would react. Texas, or Florida, might pass an emergency bill to declare they will not recognize the results of an election where the major party candidates are barred from running. Even without a formal law, people wouldn't recognize the elections as legitimate either way. If Trump somehow wins in a landslide we might brush over the whole stupid affair, but assuming he loses, whether by a hair or a mile, it still would be the end of the democratic process at a federal level in the USA. You can't have a democracy where people don't agree to abide by votes, don't agree to follow the rules and don't accept the results.
That's a major destabilization. A proximate spark for chaos. Nobody can predict exactly how it would shake out. Like hurling a bomb into a fireworks factory, you're going to fuck some shit up, but do you really know how bad it will be, or how many will die, or what will be left standing? I'd predict the balkanization of the US and split between states at a minimum


This entire thread is about a court of law ruling that he did NOT accept the result.
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Dec 20 2023 12:21am
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 19 2023 09:41pm)
If Trump somehow wins in a landslide we might brush over the whole stupid affair, but assuming he loses, whether by a hair or a mile, it still would be the end of the democratic process at a federal level in the USA


how can you think let alone type something so deluded?

"if we win, its all good, but if we lose we're going to wage civil war"

absolute bozo loser logic lol


no one cares enough about Trump to go to war for him. the people that did are all in jail already
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Dec 20 2023 12:25am
Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 19 2023 10:21pm)
how can you think let alone type something so deluded?

"if we win, its all good, but if we lose we're going to wage civil war"

absolute bozo loser logic lol


no one cares enough about Trump to go to war for him. the people that did are all in jail already


Are you living exclusively in your own head, son? He didn't say anything about a physical civil war. I read it as a high-altitude commentary of the integrity of the system and the endemic system failure caused by shattered trust. We have a country founded based on following established rules and those rules are undermined by these attacks on the system by corrupt lawfare sleazebags.
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Dec 20 2023 12:30am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 20 2023 12:12am)
This entire thread is about a court of law ruling that he did NOT accept the result.


This thread is about a court of law ruling that they think Donald Trump is a poo poo pee pee head.
Trump left office of his own accord, ipso facto he accepted the result of the election. He did not attempt to cling to power, he did not stay any longer than he was allowed, he didn't peel the B keys off keyboards or even exhaust all his legal options by dragging it through the courts indefinitely. When his supporters did riot, he told them to fuck off and go home in peace. Trump did not tell them to storm the capitol, he did not say that the rioters 'should not let up', he did not say 'there needs to be unrest in the streets', he did not say 'if you find Mike Pence in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd and push back on him'. Elon Musk had to buy twitter just to stop them from trying to revise history to hide the fact Trump was actively tweeting telling people to be peaceful and go home on January 6th.

Is Trump a poo poo pee pee head? Sure. I think it could be proven in a court of law, too. I don't disagree with on that account. Is the virulent strain of TDS infecting liberal america worth destroying the very foundation of our country and delegitimizing our government and setting chaos in motion?
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