Quote (Sioux @ Dec 19 2023 09:12pm)
What would you call it if a party has only won the national popular vote in a presidential race once in 30 years?
I'd call it a democratic republic, where everyone agreed to abide by the formal rules and accepted the result. Because just in: Even when Trump lost, he
accepted the result, no matter how much democrats want to pretend otherwise. He left office, the end. Even Obama made more of a fuss on his way out of the door, and used the interim time to set up a spying program on his successor.
The electoral college is the system the states all agreed to, and it exists because our republic was set up to respect minority states and minority parties instead of letting a direct democracy trample on them. As long as everyone agrees to the rules and plays by them and the victor is chosen fairly, our democracy works.
As soon as democrats try to destroy that system by barring Trump from the ballot, or locking him up, how do you think this ends?
That's the simple question that has the most relevance here:
What is the next step? How does this end?Rather than doomsay or give apocalyptic warnings of civil war, lets be clear. The most likely outcome right now is this decision goes to John Roberts desk and SCOTUS promptly shits all over colorado and tells them to fuck off and we go back to status quo and the election goes on. But democrats keep pushing. What happens if Georgia democrats decide to issue an arrest warrant for Trump? What happens if a democrat secretary of state refuses to allow Trump on a ballot, scotus be damned? What if they try to drag out the litigation and appeals through the election enough to muddle and interfere with it? What if scotus doesn't actually do its job, or do it swiftly enough? These are very real risks, and then we have to ask how that scenario plays out. Say Trump is removed from the ballot in several (D) states and the election is still pending. Republicans wouldn't just cry foul at that point, they would react. Texas, or Florida, might pass an emergency bill to declare they will not recognize the results of an election where the major party candidates are barred from running. Even without a formal law, people wouldn't recognize the elections as legitimate either way. If Trump somehow wins in a landslide we might brush over the whole stupid affair, but assuming he loses, whether by a hair or a mile, it still would be the end of the democratic process at a federal level in the USA. You can't have a democracy where people don't agree to abide by votes, don't agree to follow the rules and don't accept the results.
That's a major destabilization. A proximate spark for chaos. Nobody can predict exactly how it would shake out. Like hurling a bomb into a fireworks factory, you're going to fuck some shit up, but do you really know how bad it will be, or how many will die, or what will be left standing? I'd predict the balkanization of the US and split between states at a minimum