Yes. They are currently doing both simultaneously. America does not want to get into a boots on the ground situation anywhere in the ME. This is why they cucked out from bombing Iran. There have been numerous red team/blue team war scenarios involving the invasion of iran; it never ended well for Americans. This isn't 2001 anymore, where we could bomb whoever we wanted without repercussions. Iran has a larger supersonic inventory than we do.

We expect people to play by our rules because it directly benefits uncle sam and how we like to play the "war on terror" game

You are making assumptions about military intelligence and your not actively serving in the military of any of these nations. It's one thing to speculate(I do the same thing)

You are right it's not 2001 anymore but we will still bomb whoever we want and face those repercussions. We always have.

Iran has a larger supersonic inventory?? Does that make it superior to the US military or is that one of the only ways for Iran to project power in their region?

The United States doesn't have to "put boots on the ground" to cripple nations. They've proved that in the Middle East and elsewhere.

The United States has a base in every one of our "enemies" backyard. I think that's a much greater threat to our enemies then a small terrorist unit within a major us city.

I think people are naïve to think the US military is "tapped out" and our military technology has been "passed" or our morale is low.

Imagine all able bodied Americans being drafted to fight in WW3. I'm 34 and I would gladly die for my country(so will any American) if it in some way insures a future for the younger generation.

China said if it lost 300million people in a world war it would be a good thing for their economy and the expansion of Chinese people.

America has more armed patriots then anyone can fathom.

In a World War or in fact any projected future the Middle East never becomes a super power. They got immensely rich off the oil beneath their countries over the last 100 years and that's one of the soul reasons world super powers have even involved themselves in that region.

If the United States/Russia/China collaborated in any way the Middle East reverts back to a desert wasteland.

Sorry for the tldr! Trying to convey where I'm coming from. I don't believe anything mainstream media sells. Chinese news outlets are now more honest then all western media. It's pathetic.

I do admit that the average American is not prepared to lose their 1st world "top country" privileges. Living the good life while most these countries are fighting to survive. It's no surprise why the ME and Russia/China despise the US.

That's the scary thing. How far is the United States willing to go to secure "American freedom" for generations to come?

Don't think anything is off the table and I think myself/others trying to predict what the militaries do behind the scenes is just foolish.

Not supporting American Imperialism and what we've done to other countries to maintain some level of supremacy. It's fucking sad and the average American drunk on freedom has no idea the innocent people in other countries paying the price. Ignorance is Bliss for the American public.

Iran bet on drones/missles/EW being the future instead of trillion dollar boomer legacy hardware and it bet right. As it turns out, having vast stockpiles of highly advanced and extremely mobile missiles
Is more of a deterrent than Nukes or even an air force. This doesn't mean that Iran has the force projection that America does, not even close, but it does ensure that Iran is the predominant regional power and uncle sam can't do shit. Think about this: after over 20 years,trillions of dollars,thousands of dead Americans and hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, the US of A packs up and gifts the entirety of the ME to Iran on a silver platter.

America absolutely has to put boots on the ground; this is the main reason why Ansarallah (houthis) have been running wild in the Red Sea. Bombing them only encourages them to eat more khat and sing songs.

As for the bases in the ME: there's a reason why irgc proxies keep targeting them;Tehran knows usa only has so many stockpiles of aa munitions to supply cRAM batteries. America either doubles down and strengthens these bases or they book it out of there( atleast in syria/iraq) the bases in SA,UAE and turkey will be fine.

Now you bring up the most important topic regarding this thread: The morale of American Patriots. This is only speculation on my part but I believe the average American isn't too keen on dying in a desert to protect illegal us bases in syria. But like you said; all it takes is one false flag and patriotism(tm) is back on the menu.

Joe Biden single handedly reversed America's sphere of influence in the ME by being senile. What a time to be alive.

Don't disagree with you on any of that. There are more liberal pussy draft dodgers amongst us but 10x as many real men willing to pick up a gun even if they never thought they'd have too. If you give Americans a reason to fight we'll fight.

Like I said in previous posts every American citizen could be against a war with Iran and the government can still go forward. That's where were at. That's the scary reality for Americans and people in the ME. Joe Biden could go give a "presidential address" and basically say "We're going to war folks"

You could have more anti-war protestors in DC then ever before and it won't magically turn off our airforce/navy/army/marines and throughout US presidents have listened to their military leadership because as a "politician" we all know they don't know fucking jack shit about "modern warfare".

Just Stopping In To Say God Bless The USA


" Sword And Scales - Just As God Intended '

Can we really claim that America isn't allowing "ground troops"? The overwhelming majority of illegal aliens that come through our borders are fighting aged males. Sometimes they may have children with them, but the majority of the time, it's not THEIR child.

One of the primary concerns I've seen expressed over the idea of a Civil War pertains directly towards the militarization of illegals against the citizenry of the US. From small communities up to major cities, these people are everywhere, thanks in large part to the policies of the Biden Administration and their "distribution" strategies.

Were it not for the millions of illegals, many of whom are FROM the middle east, as well as Africa and East Asia, I'd say, "Iran is no threat to the US, we shouldn't even be in the region." The problem comes in where if we withdraw entirely, and let Israel off their leash, we'll be blamed for whatever the results are, and a cry will likely go up calling for Iranian nationals and the nationals of all their allies to soak American streets in blood, and we won't have any particular means to respond.

So after waiting for over five days ("bad weather) and informing Iran (48hrs) of America's intentions to bomb irgc proxies, America finally got some birds in the air and fired over 120 pgms at various targets across syria/iraq. Iraq got hit the hardest in places like Akashat and Al-Qa'im with 16 dead and over 25 injured. This attack targeted PMU groups.

Simultaneously the irgc (while not being targeted) launched missle attacks on numerous us bases in the region with no confirmed casualties. Iran said the US made a mistake and the Iraqi government is le big mad.

More attacks are to be expected from uncle sam, while Iranian proxies vow for revenge.

I partially agree with what you said in the sense that the people coming from the southern and northern boarders are mostly military age men. It's not good that's for sure but our population is fully armed to the teeth. Would they be capable of committing minor terrorist attacks and kill us civilians. Of course that's what cowards do. Our ability to respond is far much more precise then what people expect. Here's the other thing about the boarder. Don't get me wrong people can sneak in and remain unseen/unknown to the government but every square inch of the US and this planet is constantly surveilled and people are naïve and totally ignorant to think the US military intelligence doesn't know where those "Chinese/Saudi farmers" are who are "stealing" our intelligence. The US government has allowed them to think "we" don't see them(that's counter intelligence). No doubt the US government will drop a bomb on a Kansas "farm" if 100 Chinese/Arabic/any terrorist group start "mobilizing". A lot of people disagree and say "they are invisible" and can "dodge the US governments own civilian surveillance system". I don't think so but that's just my opinion.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Feb 3 2024 10:25am

Interesting take. Under prior administrations, I'd likely be right there with you. Unfortunately the current Administration seems to have the entire Intelligence apparatus, as well as it's entire legal framework, tied up trying to sus out it's opposition and either imprison them or bankrupt them. And every major shooting, stabbing, explosion, looting, robbery, and riot is simply no longer being covered by the media unless it can be tied to some mythical "white nationalist" group.

You believe the feds would be on your side vs foreign invaders. I'm telling you the feds don't give two shits about you, and they'd allow the chaos to reign supreme, ESPECIALLY in a place like Kansas, or Texas, or any other State that tends to vote red. And they'd likely withhold any assistance until the state conceded to harsh gun laws, removal of all militia groups and any state guard unit not answerable to the Feds, and far reaching oversight of all law enforcement.

The Federal Government is no friend to the States. They're a fucking leech only concerned in centralizing more and more power and wealth in DC.

+1 Agree with all of that.

I don't believe the federal government will be on my side but I do know the people who live on my block(neighbors) all own guns and we even have an ex-marine sniper who served in the Gulf War. I'm as much worried about terrorist as I was after 9/11 I'm not worried. The military will attack foreign "sleeper cell groups" in our country before they try and take the guns from the average citizen. You are 100% right that there's an international agenda to destroy America and create a "New World Government" and likely a "One world currency". That's always been the stated goal they just need another war or like you said "simultaneous terrorist attacks across major us cities" for an excuse to further steal our god given rights.

I just don't believe that our government has ZERO clue where "individuals whos snuck in our country are now" when it's a far greater threat to national security then a law abiding gun owner. You are right though my friend but in times of distress and despair America and Americans always "answers the call".

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Feb 3 2024 10:50am