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Dec 4 2023 04:48pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 4 2023 05:27pm)
He has three prior battery arrests. What's he going to do when someone bumps into him on the subway, or takes his parking spot? He's a ticking time bomb who has demonstrated repeatedly that he can't be trusted in public.

He has 3 misdemeanor battery charges on his juvenile record and a laundry list of mental problems to explain them, what specifically happened in all 3 instances? If you don't know it's a strange thing to pull out as evidence he should be locked up or whatever since misdemeanor battery can include pushing someone.

He has severe mental problems, he will probably have to be assisted for the rest of his life, I doubt he will travel by himself or ever have a drivers license. If he does he clearly shouldn't. He is a ticking time bomb and the agency in control of where he was placed knew that and placed him at the school despite his mother's wishes, why are they not culpable here?

Seems messed up to me, this guy has the mental capabilities of a toddler and would probably just die in the US prison system. Even if he does survive it, the only point in sending him is to separate him from society which if necessary should be done via a mental institution of some sort IMO, not a prison.
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Dec 4 2023 04:54pm
Shitty situation all round. Unsurprisingly pard attempting to portray black and white without nuance. People trying to blame the mom haven’t spent more than a minute looking into the story. She clearly has said multiple times she doesn’t think he will do well in a public school setting, hence why she homeschooled him. The group home probably should have some repercussions here imo because those who intimately knew him, knew he outburst prone. It was their group home director that decided it would be a good idea to send him to a public school. The state of American public schools have been on a continuous decline, especially more so for special needs children. “Fault” can probably be divided up to multiple parties in this situation. Obviously the kid is a Danger to the public and requires supervision, but is prison necessarily the answer or rather an autism group home that can provide such level of supervision?

Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 2 2023 08:37pm)
The kid is not at fault but he also needs to be kept under constant care, this is why abortion needs to be legal.


What does abortion have to do with this?

This post was edited by Bazi on Dec 4 2023 04:55pm
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Dec 4 2023 05:18pm
would be better if we would just euthanize the severe mentally ill
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Dec 4 2023 05:30pm
Quote (Bazi @ Dec 5 2023 09:54am)
Shitty situation all round. Unsurprisingly pard attempting to portray black and white without nuance. People trying to blame the mom haven’t spent more than a minute looking into the story. She clearly has said multiple times she doesn’t think he will do well in a public school setting, hence why she homeschooled him. The group home probably should have some repercussions here imo because those who intimately knew him, knew he outburst prone. It was their group home director that decided it would be a good idea to send him to a public school. The state of American public schools have been on a continuous decline, especially more so for special needs children. “Fault” can probably be divided up to multiple parties in this situation. Obviously the kid is a Danger to the public and requires supervision, but is prison necessarily the answer or rather an autism group home that can provide such level of supervision?



What does abortion have to do with this?


He is a foster kid, do the math.

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Dec 4 2023 05:32pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 4 2023 05:30pm)
He is a foster kid, do the math.


Ah gotcha. Thought you were saying you could detect autism in utero
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Dec 4 2023 05:57pm
He deserves to have his case seen by an impartial and dispassionate court that factors in not only his crimes, but also mitigating circumstances, to reach a just outcome for all involved, especially the victims. 30 years is unreasonable. So is 1.
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Dec 4 2023 06:28pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Dec 4 2023 05:48pm)
He has 3 misdemeanor battery charges on his juvenile record and a laundry list of mental problems to explain them, what specifically happened in all 3 instances? If you don't know it's a strange thing to pull out as evidence he should be locked up or whatever since misdemeanor battery can include pushing someone.

He has severe mental problems, he will probably have to be assisted for the rest of his life, I doubt he will travel by himself or ever have a drivers license. If he does he clearly shouldn't. He is a ticking time bomb and the agency in control of where he was placed knew that and placed him at the school despite his mother's wishes, why are they not culpable here?

Seems messed up to me, this guy has the mental capabilities of a toddler and would probably just die in the US prison system. Even if he does survive it, the only point in sending him is to separate him from society which if necessary should be done via a mental institution of some sort IMO, not a prison.


A history of battery ends with him almost killing a woman over a video game. Sociopathy is an explanation for a lot of crime, but it's not treated as an excuse and neither should it be here. He is responsible for his own actions, and if he can't be he should be remanded to state custody for the rest of his life.
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Dec 4 2023 06:30pm
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A history of battery ends with him almost killing a woman over a video game. Sociopathy is an explanation for a lot of crime, but it's not treated as an excuse and neither should it be here. He is responsible for his own actions, and if he can't be he should be remanded to state custody for the rest of his life.

Did you read what you responded to?
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Dec 4 2023 06:37pm
I hope this school get sued into oblivion for not doing their job and watching over a severely autistic child. That’s 100% child abuse and there is no doubt that this whole situation is their fault. Fuck that teacher for real, what a piece of shit lol.
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Dec 4 2023 06:42pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Dec 4 2023 07:30pm)
Did you read what you responded to?


You downplayed a history of escalatory violence which led to him beating a woman half to death (and promising to kill her) over a video game. You go further, and point to various disorders (in excess of his autism) which are the root cause of that. But that's also true of sociopathy, and yet sociopathy is never a legal defense for crime.

Whether the agency should be accountable in their own right or not is irrelevant to whether he is accountable. Clearly he is. You're attempting to displace blame. Let's agree that he is of an age to be tried as an adult and his actions have consequences.

He seems to have mental abilities well above that of a toddler, but it's neither here nor there. He was in an assisted situation, and this was the result. There's no guarantee that he will have anything like the support he enjoyed in the future, nor can society take that risk.

We did away with the asylums. If we bring them back he might have a home, for now, it's prison.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Dec 4 2023 06:43pm
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