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Dec 10 2023 12:12pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 27 2023 11:50pm)
Philosophy is very relevant to political and religious matters, so I figured I'd see if people are interested in a thread that is focused on philosophical considerations. Here's a thought I had:

If there is a belief in an afterlife, and this belief is one of an eternally peaceful afterlife, why do we desire extending our lifespan so much? This is different than a question of suicide, as suicide relates to the desire to kill ourselves immediately (or shortly). I think of it as the difference between choosing death v. adjusting your acceleration towards death. Why the adjustment? Why the desire to delay meeting paradise, God, The One, etc.?


I mean for me personally I'm trying to extend my life for as long as possible so I can witness "end time prophecy" also I'm trying to delay "G-ds day of judgement" for as long as possible because it's a terrifying experience( even the heavens will tremble) and I'm not sure I make it into the kingdom of G-d, I might just end up in the lake of fire like all the other heathens
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Dec 10 2023 08:08pm
Quote (Jupe @ Dec 10 2023 06:34am)
Underlying social conditions like believing in paradise, and how blowing yourself up gets you there?


What is paradise? Hopefully it's some new anime, and some Hotpockets.
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Dec 10 2023 08:27pm
I recently stumbled on r/consciousness on reddit.

Holy fuck it's just a den of pseudo intellectual white guys humble bragging about how much hindu meditation they know and getting mad when you ask for evidence of their theories on consciousness.

Something something philosophy of consciousness.
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Dec 10 2023 08:59pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 10 2023 06:27pm)
I recently stumbled on r/consciousness on reddit.

Holy fuck it's just a den of pseudo intellectual white guys humble bragging about how much hindu meditation they know and getting mad when you ask for evidence of their theories on consciousness.

Something something philosophy of consciousness.


I feel similarly about the 'non-duality' community.
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Dec 10 2023 09:31pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Nov 30 2023 12:30pm)
All good friend to be honest most people on this sub-forum are not Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, or Jainist so they're inclined to misinterpret "reincarnation" and "god" (not saying they are wrong but there are massive differences even between eastern philosophies)

I tried my best as someone who was raised Catholic and studied mostly Hinduism and some Buddhism for a decade to solidify somewhat how they perceive "consciousness" / "existence".

Vedanta (a sect of Hinduism) that I adhere too is supplementary to my Catholic beliefs. So by studying it extensively I've been able to strengthen my bond with Christ.

I personally think people who don't study "both sides" are ignorant. This is why the Abrahamic faiths(Judaism, Christianity, Islam) are archaic in their philosophy but steadfast in their belief/faith.

To be 100 percent honest the Bible, Quran, and Torah are rudimentary when compared to any Eastern philosophy. I was stupefied when I read and saw with my own eyes and heart how much sheer depth Eastern philosophies had.

They basically answered the question you asked in your OP with multiple answers from different sages across different times. They asked every question a human could ponder/fathom and then answered it to the best of their ability.

To answer your question it's best to state that "God" is merely all of the perceivable universe as well as the "unseen" or "unknowable". God is the fabric on which all existence exists and also the medium/frequency/vibration. All is one and all is God.

When you are born on this planet you have two parents and they give you a "name" and you carry this "name" and create an "ID/identity" which in turn fosters the growth of the Ego(separation of self from the whole). That's why when people use the term "I" you are basically stating that you are "different" from what actually is universally the same eternal perpetual existence. This is why removing the Ego is seen as one of the few ways to "realize god". Coincidentally the word "holy" person actually means to them someone who has become "whole or one again" with existence/god. In Hinduism your essentially going planet to planet life to life and go through various forms of the same consciousness just as different names/entities. But you are always what's called the "Atman" (one's eternal self/the supreme soul/god).

I always found it ironic how in the East saying "I am God" was considered normal going back 5,000 years(and still is to this day) but only when Jesus Christ made the claim did it actually stick with people. I think it's ignorant and not even historically accurate to say "Jesus was the 1st to make this claim" when Buddha lived hundreds of years before Christ and Hindus really knew what people think Jesus said was "brand new" was actually just "rebranded Eastern philosophy". The similarities are blatantly obvious to anyone whose studied both sides and if I were to make a hypothetical guess I'd say "Jesus's missing years" he wasn't wandering around in the desert he likely went to study in the East and came back truly knowing "God".

To further elaborate all beings are part of that "consciousness" and are merely fractals of the same whole. I don't believe you lose your identity/ego fully when you die because even the greatest teachers, sages, mystics, rishis all use their Ego to realize the higher truth. First you say I'm separate from everyone/everything I'm my own being and there's no "God" but then when you walk the path you eventually realize you could never be separate from "existence itself".

There are many stories of how "enlightened beings" when they come to this realization(Nirvana/Samadhi/etc.) they quite literally detach from their Ego and merge with God. When that happens most of them totally neglect their "human shell" to the point of death or self induced suicide. Their disciples, devotees, followers basically have to "pull them down" so that they "eat" "drink water" and continue to nourish their "human body".

When I experienced this for a brief moment(pure-bliss-consciousness) it was truly divine and authentic. No drugs. Deep meditation. Like so many you want to "stay there forever". Imagine you go to heaven for 10 minutes and then you come back to this ego-dense reality. It fucking sucks. That's why Buddha preached "liberation through suffering"and he didn't prioritize "reaching nirvana" like so many think. He merely tried to get people to understand the human condition itself and try to "remove suffering" through various meditative practices. He despised the fact so many just wanted to sit in "Samadhi/Enlightenment" instead of go out and do good deeds. He saw enlightenement as an "excuse" for people to say, "I am God. I am one with the universe. I know the secret. Fuck all of you I'm going to sit in a cave in total bliss" as cowardly.

I'd go further but to be honest it's better for someone like yourself to simply read some of the major tenets yourself. I'm not a scholar and I don't have photgraphic memory. All I can share with you is my own personal experience and opinion.

Glad you made this thread!! :hail:

edit: To add a little context and extrapolate you may have heard people say/claim, "I'm Jesus Christ reincarnated" or "I was such and such a person in a previous life". To any regular person they go, "This person is fucking insane". The reality though is that "language" itself is divisive and the highest truths can't be spoken only experienced. When a western person who believes in Jesus Christ says this they don't actually mean "I am that exact same being". What they are trying to say is that they have "shared experience" or "felt the presence thereof". Anyone right now can 'Put themselves on the same cross Jesus Christ was crucified on". You will feel like Jesus really did "die for our sins". You aren't experiencing "physical death" but you can put your heart and mind THERE. Jesus himself spoke of reincarnation but it was removed for obvious reasons. When people go to church and take the "body" and "blood" of Christ they obviously aren't physically eating/drinking "him" they are being spiritually connected and nourished by his spirit and all that he stood for. Jesus Christ just so happens to be one of the "great spiritual teachers" if not the "greatest" and so we all sort of feel an affinity with his being. In the East even today if you said "I am Jesus Christ reincarnated" you wouldn't be sent to a psychiatric facility you would become a monk and find out what that truly means.


I can only speak to some of the representations of Buddhism that I have seen, but I find it really quite tragic the ideas espoused and practiced which seem to value disconnection from other people. I've seen quite a few "Day in the life" videos, in which monks will rise, meditate, walk, eat, do chores, and cycle between those activities before heading to bed, all to wake and do it over and over--all while disavowing intimate relationships and largely being without communication with others for the majority of the day. The rationale I hear for why, is that these practices have given their life "purpose". There are times where, to me, it seems like a way of coping from existential dread and death anxiety.
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Dec 11 2023 04:49am
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What is paradise? Hopefully it's some new anime, and some Hotpockets.


it gives me isekai vibes, and I HATE isekai
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I can only speak to some of the representations of Buddhism that I have seen, but I find it really quite tragic the ideas espoused and practiced which seem to value disconnection from other people. I've seen quite a few "Day in the life" videos, in which monks will rise, meditate, walk, eat, do chores, and cycle between those activities before heading to bed, all to wake and do it over and over--all while disavowing intimate relationships and largely being without communication with others for the majority of the day. The rationale I hear for why, is that these practices have given their life "purpose". There are times where, to me, it seems like a way of coping from existential dread and death anxiety.


This is called "deifying" all your "work". Changing your attitude about a seemingly mundane existence by changing the way you "think" throughout the day. People who "have" are constantly bitching about what they don't have "materialistically". They think success in this life is based upon loyally adhering to socially accepted norms, traditions, rituals. The only way to break this is to "Be alone" for a substantial amount of time with "Yourself" to come to the conclusion that you are NOT just this "name" you were given at birth and that you are a part of a greater "whole" or ongoing transitional/transcendent existence.

When Westerners try and "get a glimpse" into life as a monk it seems silly but a monk will say your life is the silly one. You are the one going out in the world trying to make a "name" for yourself. Constantly reinforcing and feeding your ego which "in the end" is useless because you LOSE this physical body eventually(guaranteed) but you don't lose what you have experienced here in this body. This is "your only here a little while" don't forget to "smell the flowers" along the way.

Also monks don't disavow intimate relationships and "go without communication with others for the majority of the day" because it's easy or beneficial they do it because their "goal" is "God" as their are no things in life which can give you that "relationship" except yourself. You alone have to walk that path. A guru can point you in the right direction(according to their own experience) but can't "walk the path" for you.

It's logically speaking 100x easier to facilitate a relationship with God when your not trying to "fuck" everything you see and practicing restraint sexually. It's teaching you discipline and to try to obtain a permanent state of bliss not just a "quick high" that you get from all your physical interaction with the world.

It's also 100x easier when you let go of familial relations because your not thinking about, "How's my mom doing". How are all my friends doing? Am I on the right path? Why do I always think of my past? Why am I flooded with the memories I seek to let go of? Why do I think negative thoughts? &&& so you start to literally only think of "God" because you finally took the time to answer all the "questions" you had about this existence/consciousness.

It seems "tragic" and "seems" like a way of "coping from existential dread and death anxiety" up until you yourself "walk the path" and actually dive into that "unknown". Like Jesus said, "So I will spit you out because you are only warm not hot or cold". This is the whole idea of how can you come to know the "truth" if you just "dip your foot in" and then "pull it out" because you are SCARED of losing control over the "faculties of the mind". Your so scared to be "alone" because it forces you to confront all the silly lies you told to yourself to pacify your own mind from facing that truth. That existentiality.

It's easy to denounce that path as "ludicrous" because you and 99percent of the people around you will affirm that it "has to be" that way. There's no way someone could derive "total bliss" from scrubbing temple floors, cutting the grass, cleaning bathrooms, doing the dishes without any expectation of praise from others or financial compensation. I realized God through "karma yoga' which is "work". "Karma translates at "work" in Sanskrit. I simply "chanted the name of God" in my mind as I went and worked throughout the day doing these things. When I was 21 years old and started volunteering at a temple within a religion, culture, belief system so different then my own it took YEARS for me to get past "I as this name/body deserve "praise/recognition/compensation" for cleaning toilets and doing the "hard work". Everyone always praised me for doing such work because they refused to get on their hands and knees and do something in the name of God not self(one and the same). They wanted to "pay" me for doing such labor. I refused. Instead I found God in a toilet bowl. I found God in a blade of grass. I found God in all things including myself. It gave me "peace of mind" for LIFE and it's the most valuable thing I've obtained. "Heaven on Earth" is a thought away if you can believe it. It takes some people 3 seconds it takes others 30 years but the goal is the same.
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Dec 11 2023 02:08pm
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it gives me isekai vibes, and I HATE isekai


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Dec 11 2023 07:21pm
The question viewed from a Christian perspective reveals a selfish questioner. I'm Catholic so we don't believe that all believing Christians are destined for heaven, but from the perspective of Christians who believe they are destined for heaven, there's other souls for the person to consider. They can use their time on earth to witness to other people, or to do other things which matter. Also, why would someone not choose to remain with their family/friends as long as they can, especially knowing that when it's over they'll be in eternal bliss? Heaven is a concept in the head of a Christian... even if they truly believe they are going there, they've never experienced it, and if life is meaningful why wouldn't they extend it?
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Dec 11 2023 08:28pm
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The question viewed from a Christian perspective reveals a selfish questioner. I'm Catholic so we don't believe that all believing Christians are destined for heaven, but from the perspective of Christians who believe they are destined for heaven, there's other souls for the person to consider. They can use their time on earth to witness to other people, or to do other things which matter. Also, why would someone not choose to remain with their family/friends as long as they can, especially knowing that when it's over they'll be in eternal bliss? Heaven is a concept in the head of a Christian... even if they truly believe they are going there, they've never experienced it, and if life is meaningful why wouldn't they extend it?


Does that not imply that there is something unique to the Earthly experience that Heaven does not, or cannot, involve such that we want to extend our time here as much as possible?
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