i marked the part relevant to my question if there were any facts that would change your mind, which you clearly denied. no need to try and walk that back now, marcel...




no, i've just read articles, not googled videos of people being killed.

so your defence is that he "only" choked the lifeless body for about a minute - despite being told what he should already know, that the guy is out and continued choking could kill him, and to release the pressure? if anything, that works against the killer imo. he is made aware of the possible consequences and STILL keeps applying pressure to the victim's neck.
i give you that it wasn't five minutes though. obviously the dead guy was struggling for his life already, and not just calmly fighting off a submission attempt in a grappling competition.

also, the video makes it pretty clear there is no public threat any longer, there are several men controlling him, a woman is casually filming the scene, no terrified kids or elderly people around any longer, so any excuse for actually killing him has basically disappeared.

Nothing of value was lost

fenderp strawman action as always

there is nothing to walk back, the facts are clear that this was self defense with an unfortunate outcome

thats what this is, these are all the facts

but hey, i am talking to a guy, who was shouting MURDER in the rittenhouse even with the clear self defense on tape

yikes bro, your stalking wont change the facts

The real loss here is the Justice system bending it's knee for rioters and protestors.

This post was edited by Mondain on Oct 30 2023 09:14am

bahaha... my "stalking"? maybe before you make that moronic pivot in a public forum, at least check who quoted whom first - because if someone was "stalking" here it was YOU, marcel.

epic self-own, lol.

but yeah, back to topic, pretty clear case of second degree manslaughter (maybe look up the legal definition before doubling down on your ignorance) - he was even told that the guy is clearly out and that he might kill him, and still he kept choking him regardless...

i quoted your stupid post, you follow people around like a street dog and i am throwing you a little bone

now go back to your hut doggy

you cant even recognise self defense with video evidence so your legal opinions are irrelevant

we went from combat advice to legal verdicts in just one topic, fenderp can do it all

You don't live in an area where racist gang mentality exists. You can't properly ascertain any situation that happens in a city such as Chicago or New York because they are total outliers compared to other major cities around the world.

You have no idea whether an individual is within a group that would attack you. Gang or racial group or both.

What happened there is a situation that only people from within that city can "judge". Most New Yorkers would say he did the right thing and as a Chicagoan whose been in similar situations on public transit I support what he did not the outcome. Do you believe he wanted to kill the guy? No. You just want to stir racial tension that is already an issue by ignoring the hard truth and making up excuses for the victim.

That "victim" easily could've been a member of a gang and in an adjacent train car or after all of them exited the train could've been 10 homeless people/10 gang members/10 blacks ready to fight/stab/attack the "3 or 4 grown men" and easily overpower them. You see things situationally but not with any depth of awareness in terms of the city this "incident" happened. Everyone from Chicago/New York knows that blacks stay with blacks, whites stay with whites, latinos stay with latinos, greeks stay with greeks, etc. etc. If you for example came into a predominantly black/latino/white neighborhood and got in a fist fight. Within a few minutes you'll be surrounded by multiple people of the same skin color and have your face beaten to a pulp. You want to defend homeless people? Go to the homeless encampment in New York or Chicago and watch how quickly you get robbed/stabbed/ or worse but yet if you choke out one of those homeless people when they pull a knife out of their shoe and start trying to slit your throat you should just "not defend yourself" to the full extent of what "defending yourself" means in this country. Sorry bud you have just never been in a situation that calls for you to defend your own life vs a violently deranged individual. He choked him too hard for your liking? Go cry about it lol any real man would've done the same thing.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 30 2023 09:57am

another embarrassing walkback, marcel. how does it feel to constantly get owned like that, lol?

it was self defence until the guy went limp. after that it became manslaughter.

Death sentence does not exists in many states, and has, at least, to be decided by a jury/judge and not by non-representative individuals.

There's no hero when things are going THAT wrong. People encouraging this kind of behavior are actively working in destroying the very basics of their own society.

Do not expect mentally ill people to be correctly handled in a society having such low standards.

Didn't NYC just recently activate their mental prisons?

Where people could be snatched up off the street and held for weeks for "evaluation".