Quote (Santara @ Sep 27 2023 08:38am)

I don't know who needs to hear this, but he is *not* a libertarian, no matter what the pundits write.

Quote (Malopox @ 27 Sep 2023 02:27)

I read the article.

It’s impossible to achieve 80% generation and EVs by 2030 even if you are given infinite money cheat code. There is just not enough metals and minerals to replace fossil fuel energy for US alone, before tackling on the world.

Some back of the napkin math. US has 290m cars of all sorts registered and driving as of 2022. These include ancient ICE cars from the 1960s which are still roadworthy. Only 2.5M EVs were sold in the US in the past 12 years. They become obsolete within 8-10 years due to battery degradation which costs about 20-30k$ to replace for eg Tesla. Unless something changes radically it’s impossible to replace necessary amount of cars by 2030 or even 2050. Europe has banned sales of ICE vehicles from 2035. I want to see them actually try.

If we take generation alone (without heating in Northern states or industrial use for petrochemistry and so on) it will require US to build c.a. 3500 twh of generation capacity + grid batteries to ensure problem of intermittency is solved. We have to make a big assumption here that demand for electricity doesn’t increase due to all the EVs we need to put on the road as well as all fossil fuel heating we need to replace with resistance heating.

https://i.imgur.com/TfHubvS.jpg

Then there is a problem of shipping your shit from China to LA where moving away from fuel oil is not expected anytime soon as sails are inefficient, you can’t power electric ocean going vessels with renewables on the vessel itself and you can’t power civilian vessels with nuclear due to cost (1bn+ per vessel instead of 50m) as well as prohibition to enter civilian ports on a nuclear driven vessel.

IMO selfreporting states we burned about 200m tonnes in 2020 (1300m barrels) of fuel oil and 10m tonnes of LNG to power about 33000 ships worldwide. (Report of fuel oil consumption data submitted to the IMO Ship Fuel Oil Consumption Database in GISIS (Reporting year: 2020))

Should stop and give up transitioning away from fossil fuel energy sources? No.

Shall we be honest what sacrifices setting such ambitious hard targets will require from an average Joe? Yes.

Good luck there.

Quote (Malopox @ Sep 27 2023 01:27am)

Should stop and give up transitioning away from fossil fuel energy sources? No.

Shall we be honest what sacrifices setting such ambitious hard targets will require from an average Joe? Yes.
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Quote (Crunkt @ Sep 27 2023 10:30am)

saying something like 'it cant be done by 2030 so we should just ignore it and do nothing' is a stupid answer

Quote (thesnipa @ 27 Sep 2023 11:36)

u should read more carefully.

Quote (Crunkt @ 27 Sep 2023 17:30)

saying something like 'it cant be done by 2030 so we should just ignore it and do nothing' is a stupid answer

Like and you talk like a child when you talk about sacrifices that have to be made, bro its literally the end of the world you are dealing with so i wouldnt bitch about sacrifices. Again. It isnt me the average Joe that has the power to make these changes, as you say. it is the GOVERNMENT that has the power to make these changes. But the problem is that we live in a democracy and you need a majority vote to get shit done in the House and Senate so when half of the hogs in the house and senate literally call it all bullshit and fake and gay (no one also mentions who is lining their pockets to say that) nothing can get done.

So being a cynical cunt about it doesnt help anyone. just stop Do we really think rfk gives a fuck about the end of the world? No. so its a moot point

Quote (Malopox @ 27 Sep 2023 11:50)

If you think the world is about to end, then I cannot help you.

Quote (Crunkt @ Sep 27 2023 09:54am)

its not like you will wake up tomorrow and everyone is dead

But we are already experiencing it. Hottest temperature on record, record forest fires, record people dying from heat waves.

did you lose a family member this year because of the heat wave? Maybe a friends family friend? If yes I am very sorry for you, if no, the chances of that happening will go up exponentially every year. use a napkin for that math

Quote (Landmine @ 27 Sep 2023 14:33)

What a long record we keep and people die every year due to the heat.

Quote (Crunkt @ Sep 27 2023 12:41pm)

sorry i will explain like you are 5 years old

during hotter years, more people die

as man made climate change accelerates (that means go faster) there will be more and more 'hotter years' which will lead to, you guessed it, more people dying.


people die every year from eating sandwiches, so if people eat more sandwiches, then more people will die from eating sandwiches. you are correct in saying that people die every year from sandwiches, but sound incredibly dumb to make that as an argument against the facts.

Quote (Landmine @ 27 Sep 2023 20:44)

people would have died a 100 million years ago due to the heat(even at a greater rate). God you’re mentally handicapped.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20warmest%20times,and%20250%20million%20years%20ago.