He got into this predicament after decades of tyrannical rule, murdering dissenters and funding the death of innocents through support of terrorism.
Its not a technicality its a fact. There's video readily available online.

Are you really trying to gloss over the fact that Libyans killed Gadhafi because it suits your anti west directive?


This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 15 2023 11:26am

It wasn't the bombs that killed libyans, it was gravity that dropped the bombs on them. And then the bombs, when they exploded.

Hmmm

Funniest shit is obama posting tweets about how to donate to libya LOL

I guess these things leave a mark on your mind after you are out of office?

This post was edited by ownyaah on Sep 15 2023 11:34am

And who's the arbiter of geomorality that gets to play team america world police and decide who is a tyrant, who bears culpability for murdering dissenters and supporting terrorism? Because the world's number 1 support of terrorism has been and always will be the united states. ISIS wouldn't exist without us shepherding them every step along the way. And between Ashley Babbitt and imprisoning a dissident for 20+ years for organizing a political protest he wasn't even allowed to attend, you better check your definition of tyranny.

You know what Assad, Qaddafi, Saddam and Saleh all have in common? They all suppressed far more dangerous radicals and kept fractious tribes and religious zealots working together under centralized governments that could actually provide some functional social services and infrastructure. Because self righteousness interventionalism makes for such great geopolitics. Why do I have a mental image of anyone who buys into this crap going out and throwing rocks at a hobo sleeping on a bench saying 'get a job loser'

Americans bombing farmers is part of the feminist movement

If only anybody truly cared about tyrannical rule, murder of dissenters and funding of the deaths of innocents through support of terrorism, im afraid NATO might not have any allies in Saudi Arabia.

There are great videos available online. Mind sharing some that I haven’t seen?

It might surprise you - but I’m not anti-west. I’m anti-stupidity and I stand firmly against your dishonesty. NATO overreach endangers the world and the west of which I’m a part of.

I do not see how destabilizing various nations around the world helps us achieve world peace and improve as humanity. If anything if turns people away from the west which has great ideas of democracy, transparency, fighting corruption, but at the same times regularly bombs the living shit out of random nations for the fuck of it. This makes emerging markets distrust us as they know they will be next for they do not follow the next “hype du jour”.


We only have one planet that is becoming increasingly intertwined.

In part I agree with what you've said. My issue with what you said initially was perhaps semantic, however I do refute this idea that the US or NATO are somehow omnipotent forces that may be attributed the blame for every misfortune that is the flavour of the week.
Or that NATO is the only global actor guilty of conducting these kind of interventions.
I've had to endure posters supporting opportunist journalists that claimed Biden essentially had a red button under his desk to blow up NS2.

More generally I do find myself conflicted in that I support the removal of tyrants; Mylosivic, Saddam, Amin and I would support the removal of Assad. And yet I don't accept it is the job of any powerful nation to go around purely slaying monsters.
And as history shows, democracy building is costly, time-consuming and never certain.
Germany being the only example of a clear success.

I don't agree with the notion of "bombing the shit out of random nations"
Places with ongoing or historical genocide are not random nations.

That said what follows in many of these interventions has not been successful.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 15 2023 12:27pm

Well its quite simple if Saddam murders thousands of Kurds indiscriminately, tortures and murders countless thousands of even his own government.
Then he's a tyrant. Would you not agree?

The same can essentially be applied to Assad mainly in his response to protestors.
Would you not agree?

Ghadafis atrocities at home and internationally are well documented.
Would you not agree?

So the answer to your question is that anyone with an honest interpretation can agree these leaders are/were tyrants.

Furthermore what was the outcome in Rwanda as the world watched as thousands were murdered and mutilated?
What would have unfolded in Bosnia had their not been an intervention there?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 15 2023 12:32pm

Leave it to Goom to find the positive out of the horrific regime that was under Saddam Hussein

This post was edited by Crunkt on Sep 15 2023 01:33pm

The positivity was stability and no war no one is actually praising Saddam or somehow thinks he was such an awesome guy. The alternative that we got:

-Half a million dead
-Trillions in debt we raised to fund the war (aggregate wars of Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq account for ~1/3 of the 30 trillion in debt)
-Muslims hating us more than ever
-Spawned ISIS, with further instability and death

You flag waving, support our troops Bush voting retards still can't see what an immensely shitty decision it was to go in Iraq.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 15 2023 01:51pm