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Jul 30 2023 07:36pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Jul 30 2023 07:29pm)
The descendants of those abused native kids now have a choice to go to other parts of the country that are more accessible. Nobody is forcing them to stay there anymore. Maybe their ancestors were taken there by force, but the present-day people aren't. They can choose to leave but don't. I say they should stfu and stop blaming everything on the government. It gets old.

Also, I didn't take grade 10 Canadian history because I was in grade 11 when I first came to Canada. But don't worry, my ignorance of certain high school subjects still does not preclude me from kicking your ass in debates.


I don't think you remotely have an understanding of the socio-economic status of such a group if your debate winning argument is "well they can just leave so yeah".

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Jul 30 2023 07:40pm
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I don't think you remotely have an understanding of the socio-economic status of such a group if your debate winning argument is "well they can just leave so yeah".


Again, I am not saying that it would be easy for them to leave where they have probably lived for most of their lives. But the thing is they do indeed have a choice. If they feel that they might have difficulty relocating to another part of the country that is more accessible, they can turn to the government for help. I am sure the government would happily assist them because of the horrible things that were done to their ancestors.

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My larping friend you almost make it impossible to underestimate you. I never know what stupid thing you might say or thread you might make next.


Dude, you literally can't tell apart present-day people and their ancestors. You think they are one and the same, lol.
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Jul 30 2023 07:46pm
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Again, I am not saying that it would be easy for them to leave where they have probably lived for most of their lives. But the thing is they do indeed have a choice. If they feel that they might have difficulty relocating to another part of the country that is more accessible, they can turn to the government for help. I am sure the government would happily assist them because of the horrible things that were done to their ancestors.



Dude, you literally can't tell apart present-day people and their ancestors. You think they are one and the same, lol.


The last residential school closed in the 90s. To get compensation from the federal government is not easy it requires filing lawsuits and a huge duration of 10 years sometimes before settlement, the land claims agreement didn't even gst signed until 1999 and even now the land use plan isn't even in place to this day and is ongoing.

Ancestors, their parents?

The fact you think you can just relocate a entier group of people essentially who have little to no education at this point because the implementation of the schooling systems realtivly new, a group that's of the poorest in the country because there's zero previous wealth since money was not a thing not long ago and you think that group is just going to "move".

Ah yes, the wise words of jsps resident larper.

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The last residential school closed in the 90s. To get compensation from the federal government is not easy it requires filing lawsuits and a huge duration of 10 years sometimes before settlement, the land claims agreement didn't even gst signed until 1999 and even now the land use plan isn't even in place to this day and is ongoing.

Ancestors, their parents?

The fact you think you can just relocate a entier group of people essentially who have little to no education at this point because the implementation of the schooling systems realtivly new, a group that's of the poorest in the country because there's zero previous wealth since money was not a thing not long ago and you think that group is just going to "move".

Ah yes, the wise words of jsps resident larper.


Again, you are making the case that it would be very difficult for them to move, which I am not disagreeing with. However, just because it might be difficult for them, it does not mean moving is not a legitimate option.

I also fail to see how just because they have no education and no money/savings that it means it's better for them to stay. Didn't you say that one would need a 6 figure income just to have chicken and rice regularly? Wouldn't it make more sense to leave such a god-forsaken land and go to a place like, say Kelowna? They would still be poor and uneducated but at least they can more easily afford basic necessities like grocery. I bet there are also more jobs too.

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You legitimately owe an apology to whatever tree is producing oxygen for you.


Dude, do you seriously judge someone's intelligence level by whether they are knowledgeable? This must be why you perceive yourself to be intelligent. You think having stuffed a lot of info, numbers, facts, data..etc into one's head now means one is smart. I mean LOL.

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Jul 30 2023 08:01pm
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Again, you are making the case that it would be very difficult for them to move, which I am not disagreeing with. However, just because it might be difficult for them, it does not mean moving is not a legitimate option.

I also fail to see how just because they have no education and no money/savings that it means it's better for them to stay. Didn't you say that one would need a 6 figure income just to have chicken and rice regularly? Wouldn't it make more sense to leave such a god-forsaken land and go to a place like, say Kelowna? They would still be poor and uneducated but at least they can more easily afford basic necessities like grocery. I bet there are also more jobs too.



Dude, do you seriously judge someone's intelligence level by whether they are knowledgeable? This must be why you perceive yourself to be intelligent. You think having stuffed a lot of info, numbers, facts, data..etc into one's head now means one is smart. I mean LOL.


We could make such poor arguments like you're masking for social safety nets of all types. Just work! Just move! It's the default for those that can't actually form a working solution that actually reflects the reality of things.

You often think I'm insulting you but most of the time I'm really just describing you.

I mean you can't ask anyone to think you're smart, you had your little Hitler phase on here and post the dumbest stuff on other subfourms. Come on now.

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Jul 30 2023 08:06pm
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We could make such poor arguments like you're masking for social safety nets of all types. Just work! Just move! It's the default for those that can't actually form a working solution that actually reflects the reality of things.


But I have a good point though. The places you are describing sound like they would be worse places for those people. Leaving would actually be better for them.

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You often think I'm insulting you but most of the time I'm really just describing you.


You can insult/describe me all you want. I don't care. What you think of me has absolutely zero bearing on my self-esteem or how I perceive myself. I have seen too many pseudo-intellectuals like you. People who think they are smart just because they are well-read.

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Jul 30 2023 08:07pm
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I mean you can't ask anyone to think you're smart, you had your little Hitler phase on here and post the dumbest stuff on other subfourms. Come on now.


I never said I am smart. I merely said that intelligence is not determined by how much stuff one has retained in one's head. You don't know this, lol.
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But I have a good point though. The places you are describing sound like they would be worse places for those people. Leaving would actually be better for them.



You can insult me all you want. I don't care. What you think of me has absolutely zero bearing on my self-esteem or how I perceive myself. I have seen too many pseudo-intellectuals like you. People who think they are smart just because they are well-read.


Your point does not take into account an entier persons life, heritage background, family, ability to assimilate, and the list goes on and on and on.

It's truly the bottom of the barrel stance that gets murmured from guy on the sofa with his beer claiming social welfare and banking on old age security while enjoying tax payer funded free healthcare.

A complete detachment of reality.

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Your point does not take into account an entier persons life, heritage background, family, ability to assimilate, and the list goes on and on and on.

It's truly the bottom of the barrel stance that gets murmured from guy on the sofa with his beer claiming social welfare and banking on old age security while enjoying tax payer funded free healthcare.


Is there any reason you think it's better for an uneducated person with no money to stay in a place where fresh chicken and rice cost more than caviar.
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Jul 30 2023 08:12pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Jul 30 2023 08:10pm)
Is there any reason you think it's better for an uneducated person with no money to stay in a place where fresh chicken and rice cost more than caviar.


Yeah, their entier family is located there, they can't magically make housing appear elsewhere in Canada, and I don't know maybe all the data we have on failed reserves and relocation of people from their native lands.

But I'm sure we just take them and toss them into Winnipeg and Edmonton things will work out. Oh wait, who makes up the homeless population living on the streets there. Oh yeah indegenous people.


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