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Jun 29 2023 06:40am
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Silly man. Everyone knows that the moon is made of "green" cheese.


There's no oxygen in space, so moon cheese never molds. pretty dusty tho i bet. 0/10, would no eat moon.
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Jun 29 2023 07:01am
Anyways, more high stakes hawt lawmaking and judicial smackdowns ETA 60 minutes
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Jun 29 2023 08:15am
basic gist

the court holds that Race as an admissions criterion in colleges can only be permitted within the confines of narrow restrictions, which must comply with strict scrutiny, cannot be used as either a stereotype or negative, and at some point, must end. And they hold that the Harvard and UNC programs violate all those criterion.
if I'm reading the opinion correctly, they are not completely gutting affirmative action in every way shape and form, but they are cutting it down dramatically and won't allow race based criterion in general.

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For the reasons provided above, the Harvard and UNC
admissions programs cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the Equal Protection Clause. Both programs lack
sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranting
the use of race, unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve racial stereotyping, and lack meaningful end
points. We have never permitted admissions programs to
work in that way, and we will not do so today.
At the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this
opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities
from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. See, e.g., 4 App. in No. 21–707, at 1725–
1726, 1741; Tr. of Oral Arg. in No. 20–1199, at 10. But,
despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities
may not simply establish through application essays or
other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissenting opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice
on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing,
not the name.” Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wall. 277, 325
(1867). A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage
and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose heritage or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership
role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s
unique ability to contribute to the university. In other
words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race.


Essentially, they can still consider race, if race is tied exclusively to the traits of a person as an individual in their lived experience, but not as a general trait, giving any kind of blanket score handicap or negative.
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Jun 29 2023 08:25am
from Thomas concurring:


"While I am painfully aware of the social and economic
ravages which have befallen my race and all who suffer discrimination, I hold out enduring hope that this country will
live up to its principles so clearly enunciated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United
States: that all men are created equal, are equal citizens,
and must be treated equally before the law. "

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Jun 29 2023 08:30am
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Sure, no go prove it. maybe the moon is made of cheese.


I am not claiming that such is the case. Just that there exists such a possibility, and we mustn't be close-minded about it.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Jun 29 2023 08:30am
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anyway deserves its own thread now
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Jun 29 2023 08:52am
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I am not claiming that such is the case. Just that there exists such a possibility, and we mustn't be close-minded about it.


closed minded? silly way to put it. plenty of things are possible, i dont take them seriously until there's evidence. and i dont believe in them until the evidence is rigorously tested.

believing in something because its possible, or even giving it any weight, is a very low IQ activity.
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Jun 29 2023 09:40am
Quote (Ghot @ 29 Jun 2023 08:20)
After the 2016 election... the Dems passed laws that electors not voting for the party they "signed up as", was punishable by fines and possible expulsion and replacement.



You DO know that one of these days... your kid or the like will read your posts and wonder if you need mental health assistance, don't you?





Quote (Goomshill @ 29 Jun 2023 10:25)
from Thomas concurring:


"While I am painfully aware of the social and economic
ravages which have befallen my race and all who suffer discrimination, I hold out enduring hope that this country will
live up to its principles so clearly enunciated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United
States: that all men are created equal, are equal citizens,
and must be treated equally before the law. "

:bouncy:


LOL at a black man with 'hope' that all of a sudden racism will end.
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Jun 29 2023 01:48pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 29 2023 07:52am)
closed minded? silly way to put it. plenty of things are possible, i dont take them seriously until there's evidence. and i dont believe in them until the evidence is rigorously tested.

believing in something because its possible, or even giving it any weight, is a very low IQ activity.


But different races having different frequency of certain genes isn't merely possible though. It is quite probable. We already have the concept of allele frequency. It's just a matter of taking it and applying it to human populations.
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