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Mar 30 2023 06:50pm
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Mar 30 2023 05:45pm)
This is the best thing that could have happened for Trump. Bolstered his free media frenzy going into presidential run up for 24' and validates what many of his followers and skeptics are thinking. Guy's whole campaign rhetoric was hinged on a swampy system working against him. Government the boy crying wolf.


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Mar 30 2023 06:51pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 30 2023 05:08pm)
Guilty of what?

If we follow the legal theory the Manhattan prosecutors are supposedly using, then virtually every politician, campaign staffer and person related to a campaign has at some point paid for something with personal funds that the NY AG would call a campaign expense (since that now applies to anything, as opposed to the FEC definition). And by having any receipts or record keeping of their expense, maybe just paying a credit card bill, they'd be guilty of felony falsification of business records to hide an illegal campaign contribution.

Unless there's any amazing curveball in the next few days, the legal theory used here isn't just bogus like "Mueller going after Trump by trying to stretch the phrase 'thing of value' to include protected speech'- its far beyond that.
I mean, what we've seen so far doesn't make sense at face value


So for Goomshill Does Legal Analysis: The current theory that everyone seems to embrace is that Bragg's charge against Trump is falsification of business records, upgraded to a felony by claiming its to hide an underlying crime. Attempting to get around it being long past the statute of limitations by trying to argue the timer shouldn't run down while Trump was president, which is a completely novel legal argument and changing the law retroactively (1). And trying to get around the fact that hush money paid to stormy daniels is very clearly not a campaign expense under the FEC definition (2) by instead using the NY state board of election rules that have been overly permissive and corrupt and allowed virtually zero prosecutions for campaign fraud in the state, because they argue anything can count as a campaign expense when related to a campaign. So for example, a congressman can use campaign funds to buy a car, drive it to a single campaign event, and then keep it for personal use, even though that's blatantly a federal crime, its not a state crime. But by inverting this standard, Bragg can argue that Trump's payment is a campaign expense where the state is concerned, a total inversion of precedent (3). Which in turn means that its clear selective prosecution since they've never used this legal theory before to indict Chuck Schumer every time he buys food at a campaign stop out of his own pocket (4) and an obviously overly vague law (5) and retroactive criminalization, an ex post facto redefinition (6). It also means that its a catch-22 that criminalizes virtually all campaign expenses that could fall between the FEC and state definitions, because either you call it a campaign expense and commit a federal crime or call it a personal expense and commit a state crime (7).

Now, I'm at least wise enough to say I don't always know whats going to happen, so there might be more facts once this gets unsealed. But its unlikely at this point. Its also likely that in a state as biased and corrupt as New York they could indict Trump on charges of coin debasement, blasphemy and witchcraft and still find a unanimous jury to convict him, and a judge even more of a hatchetman than the jury to sign off on it.


I think everyone knows the charges are petty
They’re a price to being a complete asshat of a human. I hope he gets convicted. IF IF he actually committed a crime. He won’t ever serve time or pay more than he will grift in his defense. So much for trump
Going away. Which he never was going to.

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Mar 30 2023 06:55pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 30 2023 03:47pm)
And. The Trump grifting has already begun. Lol. He will grift more money from the MAGA clown than he will Ever pay in fines. His base will eat this up. Financial windfall for the orange man


trump gona make a NFT mugshot and lefties gona pee themselves buying it up
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Mar 30 2023 06:58pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 30 2023 03:50pm)
So true, and even if trial'd he will probably not be "locked". He will weaponize the indictement as much as possible by acting like a victim while asking for donations and radicalizing even more his base.


noope...............it was lock her up after her criminal ass lost
Quote (Santara @ Mar 30 2023 04:49pm)
Trump is probably guilty.

It's still a witch hunt.

He could probably avoid a guilty verdict with good lawyers.

He's not known for hiring any.


actually funny :)

Quote (said_aouita @ Mar 30 2023 04:53pm)
We will see if he actually gets convicted.


for what?
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Mar 30 2023 06:59pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 30 2023 05:55pm)
trump gona make a NFT mugshot and lefties gona pee themselves buying it up


send your fg

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Mar 30 2023 07:01pm
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Mar 30 2023 07:45pm)
This is the best thing that could have happened for Trump. Bolstered his free media frenzy going into presidential run up for 24' and validates what many of his followers and skeptics are thinking. Guy's whole campaign rhetoric was hinged on a swampy system working against him. Government the boy crying wolf.


It could work for the Democrats, it could work for Republicans, it could work for Trump or against him.
One thing is for certain, it works against American democracy. Its a total reversal of the Nixon-Gore saga, with the establishment rallying to invent a crime to fracture the nation, instead of magnanimously pardoning a real crime to heal a nation.


Few stories in recent American history have actually had the potential to destroy our republic. I don't think even 9/11 did, heck it brought the country together for better or worse (some of both, clearly). But this is the kind of brinksmanship and plunging over the cliff that could end all legitimacy to our democracy, and I don't think that's some hysterical overreaction. There's always room to back off, for cooler heads to prevail, for restoring sanity. But if we keep pushing towards the inevitable outcome of weaponizing the levers of government to disenfranchise half the country, I don't think the United States of America will still exist in 50 years from now. We'll balkanize like the USSR did, as China becomes the undisputed world power. Its everything the liberals pretended to care about and shrieked over during January 6th, but actually coming to fruition by their own hands.

Its a simple enough question of what comes next. Looking a few steps ahead in the chess match. Do the small d prosecutors try to drag it out through the elections, or just try to get a trial and 'lock him up on Trumped up charges', throw 34 charges at the wall and try to argue he should spend a century in prison. I mean, prosecutorial overreach could be a new olympic sport. Either way, if Trump remains the frontrunner for the elections and particularly if he still pursues the presidency in the stead of ron desantis, we're looking at an election nobody in the world will consider legitimate. Our democracy will be as defunct as Ukraine's at that point.
or do the democrats just try to back down and what, drop the charges? get it dismissed by a sane judge? offer him a misdemeanor plea deal and try to see if he'd bite for no penalty just so they could claim he's a convicted criminal? besides the question of whether he'd still fight that anyway
I wanted to say in previous threads on the subject that if the feds took this ridiculous line in the cohen case, Biden could have offered to emulate Ford and blank pardon Trump as a means to claim Trump is a criminal without needing a trial and still appear magnanimous, never mind that no real crime exists. That was always one potential play we had to be at least entertain as possible, absurdist as it is (and the backlash Biden would face from his most rabid base, and the chance that such a cynical gambit could backfire by being too transparent anyway). But that's not applicable to state charges here, and Hochul has fuck all political aspirations to care about here.

Raiding Trump's home, trying to arrest him on bogus charges, throwing Beria-esque legal fictions at him in the most over the top way possible- its every bit the banana republic antics that Trump denounces it as. The question is whether we're going to see this to the bitter end and fracture our democracy in the process. The way back to civility and sanity is so simple, just stop using government to persecute your political rivals. Just stop, get help. But as long as the democrats in power choose to drive the dagger deeper, the wound can't heal.
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Mar 30 2023 07:04pm
Quote (said_aouita @ Mar 30 2023 05:41pm)
Well, if he didn't commit so many felonies.....


trump had straight sex..............REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Mar 30 2023 07:06pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 30 2023 05:59pm)
send your fg


be careful sounds like fg begging.....
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Mar 30 2023 07:16pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 30 2023 08:04pm)
trump had straight sex..............REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Probably paid more for them drag queens too back in the day
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Mar 30 2023 07:20pm
Quote (TiStuff @ 31 Mar 2023 00:58)
noope...............it was lock her up after her criminal ass lost
actually funny :)
for what?


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