Oh man, the USA is so bad. Russia wasn't involved in any of that and definitely didn't literally invade Crimea and other areas in 2014, and definitely didn't interfere to install their own guy who was actively turning Ukraine into a puppet state (who fled to Russia).

What you just described is Russia losing influence and then RUSSIA initiating force. Not the United States lol Even when you create your own selective narrative it's still Russia doing the invading and using force. Like, I could literally take your narrative at face value and you still come out looking like a fool because you didn't say a single time the USA used force.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 23 2023 05:49pm

Why do you have some crude dichotomizing reductionist worldview where only one party can have agency and responsibility? The US was clearly the initiating force here, upsetting the status quo and provoking a predictable reaction from Russia. That doesn't mean Russia is robbed of its agency nor responsibility for the response. If I know my neighbor to be a dangerous paranoid gun nut and I jump at his windows in the night dressed in a gorilla suit, we can simultaneously say that he didn't have a legal or moral right to shoot me but getting shot was a predictable outcome and caused by my actions.

The simple fact is that Russia held Ukraine in its sphere of influence in the status quo ante and had no reason to change that. And they had it democratically. We used a color revolution to change that. We overthrew a democracy, not Russia. We denied the Ukrainian people their self determination and civil representation, not Russia. The civil war and annexation and siege and invasion were all predictable outcomes, caused by our action.

Of course he fled to Russia. He was a corrupt oligarch. He was replaced by a corrupt oligarch, and now by a comedian again backed by a corrupt oligarch.

Ukraine is a divided place, that should have been clear after Maidan and the counter revolutions in the east and south of the country. Perhaps it should be broken up.

but how did they get tha bad man if hes not in jail?? the bad man is walking free in Florida... why is our government letting this bad man get away with it?? hes so bad

America is a divided country. We see that with Trump and Biden. We see our scandals, our election controversies, our protests. But we're stronger together when he hash out our disputes democratically, with the safeguards of a constitutional republic against the tyrrany of a majority.

Ukraine was better off in every way with its united democracy. They had their divisions but they had their representation and self determination. We robbed them of that and gave them a devastating war on our behalf

I love how Russia literally invaded them in 2014 and 2022 and you're saying we gave them war.

Again, literal mental illness

Again, we are the ones who upset the status quo and provoked a response. Only elementary school teachers separating whiny kids with whiny parents pretend it doesn't matter 'who started it'. Russia was welcomed into the separatist regions, then invaded western ukraine, because we overthrew their democracy and replaced it with a puppet regime

Can anyone explain how all the whataboutism is relevant or changes the facts in any way?

It literally doesn't. He can't point to a single place where America was forceful or the aggressor. Best he can do is vaguely gesture to American influence and desparately avoid acknowledging that Russia is the one bombing the country.

Also got suspended for pointing out the mental illness.

I say this with no reservation. Anybody who thinks the USA is the aggressor in any way in this conflict has a genuine mental illness and needs to at minimum see a therapist. They are fundamentally detatched from reality and need genuine medical help.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 23 2023 09:08pm