I bet the murder victim would disagree.

Which is the benefit of having a justice system that is removed from decision making of the victimized party.

Maybe, but that doesn't make her any less dead or them any less rotten.

Holding them for life, or killing them, doesn't make her any less dead either.

Fool me once.....etc.

That's a misleading question. First, I do believe that inner-city crime hotspots and gang strongholds tend to be underpoliced. As do poor rural crack holes, for that matter.

Second, murder is an entirely different beast than most other crimes. A large chunk of cases of theft, drug offenses, speeding, jaywalking and assault go unnoticed, and increasing police presence in a particular community will inevitably drive up the number of these crimes showing up in the statistics. Murder, on the other hand, is a crime which rarely goes unnoticed and which typically has a much higher clearance rate once an investigation is opened. Murder is the type of crime for which the dark figure should exceed the official figures by the least amount, and for which policing rates should thus play the smallest role, at least comparatively.

Btw, here in Germany, the clearance rate in murder investigations is around 94% and has been for decades. I just read that the rate dropped to 50-ish percent in the U.S. in 2021. It was higher in the years before, but still... what in the actual fuck are you guys doing?





One last point: one of the main reasons for low clearance rates is obviously a lack of cooperation by witnesses - and the lack of trust in the police is highest in black communities, so that's an argument in favor of blacks actually making up a disproportionately large share of unsolved murder cases.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 10 2023 12:37am

Seems like a lot of conjecture with no data just to side with the racists. People exonerated for murder are disproportionately black.

Whats the impact when you do it in one case? An impact on an individual, and what they would or wouldn't do with their freedom
Whats the impact when you do it systematically, in every case? An impact on a society, and the violent crimes that threaten the public, committed by those violent criminals set free- and those emboldened by the knowledge nothing will be done to them

That's what we're seeing right now in Minneapolis. A gigantic spike in crime, especially random violent crime against strangers, perpetrated by young criminals with no fear of the law and knowing they'll face no consequences.
Try parking a Kia or Hyundai in North Minneapolis lmao. Maybe you can put some notches on the side of it for how many murders it was involved in before you find it abandoned some day (and totaled).


The benefit of locking up these murderers until their 30s- or preferably, well beyond, or never at all- is that they won't threaten society again. A sense of justice or vengeance isn't a pragmatic function, nor is society better served by the potential of their rehabilitation weighed against the near-certainty they'll commit more violent crime in the future. But that's just two teens. Now apply it to an entire city, and you get what we're at in Minneapolis, where most criminals being arrested for violent crimes already have 30+ convictions, often many felonies, some already have murders too. And Mary Moriarty here represents a significant change in how things will be handled in the future- even more leniently.

Swapping one black for another doesn't help your case.

What evidence do you have for that claim besides your predilection for racism?