Quote (thesnipa @ 16 Apr 2020 22:28)

when will it end? when we actually do a hard shut down and identify and isolate infected while letting the asymptomatic get past infection stages.

aka never, because economy over health cucks are crying just enough to keep shit open in almost every state. while it's 25% open it may as well be indefinite, its slowing down both the flattening of the curve and extending the time we're in lockdowns.

lesson learned? dont do shit half way. go balls out and sacrifice millions like plenty of stupid euro countries did OR go full on lockdown. zero travel. call in the army national guard and hand deliver food to people who need it. 2-4 weeks of 100% shut down. half measures are for fucking pussies.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 17 2020 10:31am)

This is stupid and impracticable, for 3 reasons:

1.: in a huge country like the US, it would be too hard to catch every last pocket of human settlement where someone might carry it. or the army and national guard soldiers patroling the streets - what if one of them contracts it during the patrols at week 2 of the shutdown, and then spreads it while staying asymptomatic?

2.: after erradicating the virus within one country via a full shutdown, this country would have to stay radically shut-off from the rest of the world until a vaccine or an effective treatment have been developed. With globalized supply chains, millions of cross-border commuters, cross-border families and so on and forth, this is just not realistic. and all it would take to make this painful approach fail is one single infected person infecting an American while delivering a shipment at the border.

3.: shutting the enitre country down for 4 weeks is probably not feasible in and off itself anyway. public supply providers like sewerage, electricity etc would still have to be maintained. those working in power plants would still have to be there, commute there from their homes, etc. firefighters and medics and nurses would still have to work. hospitals would need to continue operating. food production would still need to go on, you cant replace their workforce with people from the national guard. and production of medical supply, which is of utmost priority right now, would also have to keep going. which in turn means that at least some of their supply firms will also have to remain open. the labs conducting coronavirus testing would have to remain open.

simply put, the degree of shutdown that would be necessary to really erradicate the virus like you suggest, that degree is just not possible in practice.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Apr 17 2020 10:51am)

When in doubt, find a celebrity psychiatrist with little to no experience in the field of epidemiology or immunology to gaslight the nation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/17/dr-phil-fauci-coronavirus/

Quote (thesnipa @ 17 Apr 2020 17:41)

i'd rather hold people by fear and try and fail to catch the people who disobey than let people do whatever the fuck they want and enter into the worst case scenario of a prolonged economic shutdown mixed with poor rates of transmission and a high deathtoll compared to other first world countries. we took the worst aspects of everyone else's plan and pushed them together, half assed shutdown mixed with a slow rolling herd immunity stage.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 17 2020 10:59am)

Ive already said this 100 or 200 pages earlier: whether the health situation improves or not, the shutdowns will end after 8-10 weeks max because longer shutdowns are just not economically feasible.

I agree, however, that the US approach was very bad. And it's particularly bitter how things went for you guys since you were in such a good position initially: your country had its first local outbreak in that nursing home near Seattle, which could be contained but illustrated the risks. Then, Trump cut off Chinese travelers very early on, despite widespread outrage from liberals, the WHO and world leaders. This move bought your country additional time. And your country has a large biotech industry, lots of labs, lots of resources and manpower in the military and so on. You had so much time to prepare, to ramp up production of masks, ventilators and PPE, to work on increasing test capacities, to flesh out plans on how to deal with the inevitable wave of infections, how the national guards and the military could provide medical and logistical assistance wherever needed, to organize the national response, to coordinate the response between the states and the federal government. And of course pass a bill stating that the government will cover everyone's coronavirus healthcare costs.

Despite your obese, unhealthy population and your weak social safety net, you were in position to handle this pandemic like a boss. Instead, almost everything that could go wrong did.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 17 2020 12:32pm)

ya and i agree that the US is a selfish country person to person, many have said it. but still 70ish years ago our grand parents all bought wartime bonds and donated scrap metal to beat the nazis. 2 generations later people wont even skip spring break. its just sad to see how truly stupid most people are so clearly, i always knew i support but still sucks.

Quote (Mangix @ Apr 17 2020 11:37am)

the people contributing to spring break dont even have fully developed frontal lobes. The people buying wartime bonds weren't 18 year olds, those people were being shipped overseas. Its an odd comparison.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 17 2020 11:41am)

sure, that's all true, i was being hyperbolic. but do you think 30-40 year olds in the USA today would line up to buy war bonds? or donate scrap metal to fund the war effort? or even sit quietly while their children are drafted into a world war?

no, of course not. my point was we're, in 2 generations time, incomparably more selfish.