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Mar 27 2021 11:22am
Quote (excellence @ 27 Mar 2021 15:31)
https://mobile.twitter.com/charliespiering/status/1375537759805399044

Full quote from Harris spokesperson Symone Sanders:

"I will just reiterate that the
@VP
is not doing the border. The president asked the vice president to take on the diplomatic efforts with Mexico and countries of the North Triangle to address the root causes of migration."

LOL

Ah, the good old "addressing the imminent issues at our border is futile, we must address the root causes of migration". That one has been a staple of lefty, pro-migration groups in Europe for years.



Quote (bogie160 @ 27 Mar 2021 16:31)
"Things fall apart; the center cannot hold".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-administration-fires-most-homeland-security-advisory-council-members/ar-BB1f0Dig?li=BBnb7Kz%3Cbr%3E

The Biden administration takes the completely unprecedented step of firing members of the bipartisan homeland security advisory council in order to replace them with Mayorkas loyalists.

Trump, like previous administrations, allowed terms to elapse before filling posts.

If Trump had done the same thing, WaPo, NYTimes et al. would be full with dozens of pieces about how dangerous and unprecedented this is, how Trump is trying to undermine democracy and morphing into a wannabe dictator, yada yada.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 27 2021 12:22pm)
Ah, the good old "addressing the imminent issues at our border is futile, we must address the root causes of migration". That one has been a staple of lefty, pro-migration groups in Europe for years.

If Trump had done the same thing, WaPo, NYTimes et al. would be full with dozens of pieces about how dangerous and unprecedented this is, how Trump is trying to undermine democracy and morphing into a wannabe dictator, yada yada.


Probably because Trump went out of his way to install hacks who were loyal instead of competent people.

If this is concerning will depend on who Biden replaces them with. If he replaces them with loyal hacks, then it's a concerning move. Otherwise, I mostly see this as purging people who showed themselves to be incompetent under Trump.

For now I'm willing to give him the BOTD because Trump's appointees were likely not fit for the role, so you've got the normal firings and appointments that comes from a new administration + removing Trump's hacks which will make it a larger removal than normal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/homeland-security-advisory-council-fired/2021/03/26/bbbf6a28-8e3f-11eb-9423-04079921c915_story.html

Here's an article that describes several as Trump loyalists, but several were also "Republicans with a history of working with Democrats on national security issues".

So let's put it on our calendars to re-address this in a month or two when the appointments have been reestablished, and see what came of it.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 27 2021 11:50am
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Probably because Trump went out of his way to install hacks who were loyal instead of competent people.

If this is concerning will depend on who Biden replaces them with. If he replaces them with loyal hacks, then it's a concerning move. Otherwise, I mostly see this as purging people who showed themselves to be incompetent under Trump.

For now I'm willing to give him the BOTD because Trump's appointees were likely not fit for the role, so you've got the normal firings and appointments that comes from a new administration + removing Trump's hacks which will make it a larger removal than normal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/homeland-security-advisory-council-fired/2021/03/26/bbbf6a28-8e3f-11eb-9423-04079921c915_story.html

Here's an article that describes several as Trump loyalists, but several were also "Republicans with a history of working with Democrats on national security issues".

So let's put it on our calendars to re-address this in a month or two when the appointments have been reestablished, and see what came of it.


The purge included "...veteran officials who served under both parties." The notion that these officials are somehow far-right extremists doesn't hold up remotely to scrutiny.

It is concerning because it has no precedent and violates norms which even Trump managed to respect.



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The purge included "...veteran officials who served under both parties." The notion that these officials are somehow far-right extremists doesn't hold up remotely to scrutiny.

It is concerning because it has no precedent and violates norms which even Trump managed to respect.


trump respected nothing that didnt line his own pockets. cmon man
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Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 27 2021 12:55pm)
The purge included "...veteran officials who served under both parties." The notion that these officials are somehow far-right extremists doesn't hold up remotely to scrutiny.

It is concerning because it has no precedent and violates norms which even Trump managed to respect.


Did you not read my post? I specifically cited the article as saying there were Republicans with a history of working with both parties.

Not all of them are Trump loyalists that got fired. I expect the number is higher because many of them were Trump loyalists, so you have the normal turnover from a new administration, plus the Trump loyalists, and the latter group makes the number higher than is typical.

Trump filled these institutions with hard-liners. He did not respect norms just because he didn't fire people. By all accounts, Trump didn't grasp or care about the importance of these kinds of institutions in the slightest. He spent most of his presidency actively ignoring them. And so he basically just filled them with sycophants when an opening happened, and called it a day.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 27 2021 06:30pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQKL-FPdbxU


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Quote (Budgeting @ Mar 27 2021 01:58pm)
trump respected nothing that didnt line his own pockets. cmon man


What a shitty response. At least try to bring one example.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 27 2021 02:09pm)
Did you not read my post? I specifically cited the article as saying there were Republicans with a history of working with both parties.

Not all of them are Trump loyalists that got fired. I expect the number is higher because many of them were Trump loyalists, so you have the normal turnover from a new administration, plus the Trump loyalists, and the latter group makes the number higher than is typical.

Trump filled these institutions with hard-liners. He did not respect norms just because he didn't fire people. By all accounts, Trump didn't grasp or care about the importance of these kinds of institutions in the slightest. He spent most of his presidency actively ignoring them. And so he basically just filled them with sycophants when an opening happened, and called it a day.


Biden cares more about his political party ambitions than he does about the average working class family. It is as simple as that.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 27 2021 02:19pm)
What a shitty response. At least try to bring one example.



Biden cares more about his political party ambitions than he does about the average working class family. It is as simple as that.


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how do u live in such delusion?

trump profited more in 4 yrs as president than biden has made in 47 yrs as a politician.

thats all you need to know about who really stands for the "average man".

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 27 2021 01:19pm)
Biden cares more about his political party ambitions than he does about the average working class family. It is as simple as that.


Fortunately his political ambitions line up with the interests of the working class more than Republicans. I mean, you're wrong, but even if you were right he'd still be the better choice.
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