If there was a push by the right to streamline illegal immigration and they weren't constantly lowering the number allowed to immigrate I'd believe this. But until then, you're not fooling anybody.

spoken like a privileged lefty who is a net negative on the system and probably never left the country for decades. our taxpayer dollars support enough deadbeats like you. skill-based legal immigration is used by many countries to great effect.

then again id be happy for more skilled immigrants to come and displace washed up failures of lefty privilege like yourself. one might move to your town little town in the middle of nowhere and show people that licking petri-dishes isn’t necessary. then what would you do for a living huh lmfao, pathetic..

inb4 some sexually frustrated reply from you

The right to leave one's home country does not entail an entitlement to be let in by anyone else.

Western immigration debates do not revolve around the question of whether these (prospective) immigrants have a good enough reason to leave their home, they are about who we should let in and who we should keep out.

it centers only on this.

trust me privileged nobodies like duhcrossbones and little fella thor hate legal immigrants, as they’re more likely to endanger their lefty privilege by working harder than these two useless creatures (not a difficult task but point remains)

so the "don't like it leave" crowd expects people to do what? this statement is made by both sides.. what is the expected outcome

The "if you dont like it, you can leave" argument has always been a very shitty one, irrespective from the context. Nobody should be using it.

It's purely xenophobia. Pretty much every economic analysis shows that immigrants are great for the host country. When you accept immigrants you are always accepting the most motivated and risk taking group from another country, and then add to that that you didn't have to pay for their education and upbringing for the first 18 years of their life you end up with citizens contributing with a huge head start over the average citizen.

Similarly, it's been shown convincingly that immigrants commit less crimes than the average citizen, etc. etc.

Bullcrap. Not all immigrants are coming as adults with a ready-made education. Not all immigrants end up being net tax payers. Not all immigrants are culturally enriching. Not all immigrants are super motivated and hard working. Ok, the latter might be more of a problem in Europe with its generous welfare states, but still. And then you havent even accounted for the effect that immigration has on domestic wages, the domestic housing market, the cultural friction they could bring, the crime, etc. pp.

Similarly, those "immigrants commit less crimes" statistics are only convincing when it comes to legal immigrants in the US, which are indeed a positively selected group with above average educational attainment and motivation. It should be more than obvious that among illegal immigrants, the propensity to report crimes to the police is magnitudes lower than among natives or legal immigrants. In the same mould, here in Europe, virtually all statistics show that immigrants from third world countries commit crimes like murder, rape, assault and theft at far higher rates than the local population, even if we account for demographic factors (like the higher share of young males and their, on average, lower education level).


To be fair, the situation in Europe with its abundant welfare entitlements and heavily muslim-based immigration is significantly worse than the situation in the US where you predominantly have latinos and asians, and where skill-based legal immigration makes up a higher share of the overall immigration volume. But even in the US, a simplistic, one-dimensional analysis and stance like yours doesnt do the complex and not-exclusively-rosy reality any justice.


The stance "all immigrants = good" is just as stupid and undercomplex and untrue as "all immigrants = bad".

I love how you took my stance of "the average immigrant is good" and extrapolated that to "all immigrants are good".

This is why we can't have real conversations about this kind of thing. One side wants to bring in data and the other side gets all triggered by brown people.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 19 2020 11:45pm