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Quote (fender @ 10 Aug 2020 15:06)
as usual you're too triggered (or too dishonest) to realise what this is about. does the pandemic mean that trump has to spend literally every second of his life thinking / doing / planning something to address it? of course not. however:

- he has spent an obscene amount of time on the golf course during this crisis
- he constantly criticised obama for golfing too much and not getting anything done
- he severely mishandled covid-19, is personally responsible for tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths through his inaction, politicising, and terrible crisis management
- there are things other than disingenuous pandering he could actually do instead of golf: start a clear messaging / stop undermining experts, media, and politicians he disagrees with politically / be a fucking president for ALL americans for once, not just the white conservative crowd / start taking responsibility or at the very least behave like a human and show some genuine interest in the troubles of average citizens. this is not "what it is" - it's what he made it.

but hey, shills gonna shill i guess, you just can't help it...


- his handling of the crisis doesnt really have anything to do with the way he spends his free time.
- criticizing Obama for golfing too much was highly hyperbolic, and Trump had to eat his own words on that one for a long time. the pandemic hasnt changed this in any way.
- fine, then make memes blasting him for his mishandling of the pandemic instead of attacking him for a lack of phony photo ops at graves.
- "why cant trump stop being trump and act like a democratic president instead? reeeeee"


Let's see if a President Biden will do better with the the.. uh.. the massaging on the oh... ah... the... you know the thing.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 10 2020 09:00am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2020 08:00am)
- his handling of the crisis doesnt really have anything to do with the way he spends his free time.
- criticizing Obama for golfing too much was highly hyperbolic, and Trump had to eat his own words on that one for a long time. the pandemic hasnt changed this in any way.
- fine, then make memes blasting him for his mishandling of the pandemic instead of attacking him for a lack of phony photo ops at graves.
- "why cant trump stop being trump and act like a democratic president instead? reeeeee"


Let's see if a President Biden will do better with the the.. uh.. the massaging on the oh... ah... the... you know the thing.


not act like D president.. that's SOO far off base.
Act like he gives a shit is the issue here. If he acted like Bush Sr. it would be fine. Jr was pretty fuckign stupid.
If he acted like Reagan would be fine.
Acting like he has no skin in the game and whatever hardships are fine as long as he get re elected and his rich friends are good.. *I would include he cult followers but they will agree with him while intubated.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Aug 2020 17:00)
- his handling of the crisis doesnt really have anything to do with the way he spends his free time.
- criticizing Obama for golfing too much was highly hyperbolic, and Trump had to eat his own words on that one for a long time. the pandemic hasnt changed this in any way.
- fine, then make memes blasting him for his mishandling of the pandemic instead of attacking him for a lack of phony photo ops at graves.
- "why cant trump stop being trump and act like a democratic president instead? reeeeee"


Let's see if a President Biden will do better with the the.. uh.. the massaging on the oh... ah... the... you know the thing.


see that's why it's just factually correct to call you a shill: even though i explicitly pointed out that it's a false dichotomy to suggest the only alternative to playing golf is phony photo ops, you still pretend like it's the truth in order to dismiss it.
also, acting like a human being for once does NOT translate to behaving 'like a democratic president' instead. even bush managed to do that in times of crisis. you constantly having to strawman everything just shows that you lack real arguments.

and yes, constantly golfing during times of extraordinary crises is most definitely different than 'just' neglecting your duties as a president in normal times. 165k deaths, and about 1k more each day atm - and you get mad at a meme while defending the guy responsible, lol.
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Quote (fender @ Aug 10 2020 08:33am)
see that's why it's just factually correct to call you a shill: even though i explicitly pointed out that it's a false dichotomy to suggest the only alternative to playing golf is phony photo ops, you still pretend like it's the truth in order to dismiss it.
also, acting like a human being for once does NOT translate to behaving 'like a democratic president' instead. even bush managed to do that in times of crisis. you constantly having to strawman everything just shows that you lack real arguments.

and yes, constantly golfing during times of extraordinary crises is most definitely different than 'just' neglecting your duties as a president in normal times. 165k deaths, and about 1k more each day atm - and you get mad at a meme while defending the guy responsible, lol.


i thought the L couldn't MEME.
looks like it worked this time
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Quote (fender @ 10 Aug 2020 17:33)
see that's why it's just factually correct to call you a shill: even though i explicitly pointed out that it's a false dichotomy to suggest the only alternative to playing golf is phony photo ops, you still pretend like it's the truth in order to dismiss it.
also, acting like a human being for once does NOT translate to behaving 'like a democratic president' instead. even bush managed to do that in times of crisis. you constantly having to strawman everything just shows that you lack real arguments.

and yes, constantly golfing during times of extraordinary crises is most definitely different than 'just' neglecting your duties as a president in normal times. 165k deaths, and about 1k more each day atm - and you get mad at a meme while defending the guy responsible, lol.


I did not postulate a dichotomy between golfing and photo ops, you did. The former is what he does with his free time, the latter is what he does while he is "working".

Do you even realize how much you're contradicting yourself here? You accuse Trump of neglecting his duties as president during this time of crisis, that he should work more and relax/golf less. At the same time, you also accuse him of not having spent his time making photo ops in front of graves, which will not bring anyone back to life, not comfort anyone and would just be dismissed as a "phony display" by the liberal media anyway.

Regarding his duties as a president that you were mentioning: Trump has just rolled out bold EOs which will continue the expired weekly unemployment checks, continue the protections of renters and home owners against evictions and cut some parts of the payroll tax. He's really exposing himself with this move (since it's on very shaky legal ground) to help the American people; a move made necessary because Congress couldnt get its shit together. He has taken on a personal risk (if those EOs get slapped in court, it will make him look incompetent and authoritarian) to put the pressure on Congress, get the gridlocked negotiations movign again, and outline the general policy direction the next coronavirus relief bill should be headed to. This was quite literally the most constructive thing he could do in the current situation. But hey, too much golfing, too little public displays of affected grief... orange man bad!

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I did not postulate a dichotomy between golfing and photo ops, you did. The former is what he does with his free time, the latter is what he does while he is "working".

Do you even realize how much you're contradicting yourself here? You accuse Trump of neglecting his duties as president during this time of crisis, that he should work more and relax/golf less. At the same time, you also accuse him of not having spent his time making photo ops in front of graves, which will not bring anyone back to life, not comfort anyone and would just be dismissed as a "phony display" by the liberal media anyway.

Regarding his duties as a president that you were mentioning: Trump has just rolled out bold EOs which will continue the expired weekly unemployment checks, continue the protections of renters and home owners against evictions and cut some parts of the payroll tax. He's really exposing himself with this move (since it's on very shaky legal ground) to help the American people; a move made necessary because Congress couldnt get its shit together. He has taken on a personal risk (if those EOs get slapped in court, it will make him look incompetent and authoritarian) to put the pressure on Congress, get the gridlocked negotiations movign again, and outline the general policy direction the next coronavirus relief bill should be headed to. This was quite literally the most constructive thing he could do in the current situation. But hey, too much golfing, too little public displays of affected grief... orange man bad!


wait what? i told you TWICE now that he should NOT do phony photo ops, but his fucking job. you know a gravesite isn't the only location you can behave like a human being, right? starting to listen to the experts, taking concerns seriously even if they are raised by people politically opposed to you, and caring about the needs of average working class citizens are some of the examples i mentioned. the whole point of repeatedly insisting that golfing and photo ops are NOT the only two alternatives was to debunk your idiotic narrative that no matter what he does, he'd earn some undeserved criticism from the left, so he might as well waste his time golfing as much as he can (exposing the ugly truth that what this REALLY is about for the trump cult is how it reflects on him, not how he can maximise the well-being of americans!).

so i guess it's bias, dishonesty, AND a lack of basic reading comprehension with you. holy shit...

"it is what it is" / "i take no responsibility"

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Quote (fender @ 10 Aug 2020 18:00)
wait what? i told you TWICE now that he should NOT do phony photo ops, but his fucking job.


The meme we are talking about implies that he should do photo ops. I criticized this meme, you defended it. So when you say that he should not do these photo ops, you're contradicting the argument that your own side was making in the meme, the argument that started this whole discussion. It is a contradiction when you jump to the defense of this meme, yet oppose its central premise.



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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2020 11:50am)
I did not postulate a dichotomy between golfing and photo ops, you did. The former is what he does with his free time, the latter is what he does while he is "working".

Do you even realize how much you're contradicting yourself here? You accuse Trump of neglecting his duties as president during this time of crisis, that he should work more and relax/golf less. At the same time, you also accuse him of not having spent his time making photo ops in front of graves, which will not bring anyone back to life, not comfort anyone and would just be dismissed as a "phony display" by the liberal media anyway.

Regarding his duties as a president that you were mentioning: Trump has just rolled out bold EOs which will continue the expired weekly unemployment checks, continue the protections of renters and home owners against evictions and cut some parts of the payroll tax. He's really exposing himself with this move (since it's on very shaky legal ground) to help the American people; a move made necessary because Congress couldnt get its shit together. He has taken on a personal risk (if those EOs get slapped in court, it will make him look incompetent and authoritarian) to put the pressure on Congress, get the gridlocked negotiations movign again, and outline the general policy direction the next coronavirus relief bill should be headed to. This was quite literally the most constructive thing he could do in the current situation. But hey, too much golfing, too little public displays of affected grief... orange man bad!


quality post! please keep slapping fender around, thanks
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